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Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Muhammad
Date: August 10, 2024, 3:39 pm
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Hey Folks,
I just recevied a PCN through post for
'Driving in a bus lane within restricted period'
Are there any grounds for appeal here ?
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/14hwxDSO5vpNF5w6nA9Fos3f_y-zqpzBy/view?usp=drivesdk
Thanks
#Post#: 32917--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 10, 2024, 5:10 pm
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We need to see the video, and this can only be viewed on
Havering's website via a webcode that is on the PCN somewhere. I
don't see it on the front page, so please tell us what it is, or
go to the Havering site yourself, download it and post a link
here.
Looks like the location is here: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/8bnjzhqU9vC6PB7j7
A look on GSV shows a very long bus lane, which starts here,
some way back, so please tell us more about how you managed to
find yourself in the bus lane. The bus lane sign says "At any
time", so it is operational 24x7.
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 11, 2024, 6:16 am
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We won a case recently. 2240193170. They produced no VCA
certificate. Please show all the PCN. The webcode will be on
page 2 and there may be errors in the wording.
Suggested draft subject to further information as requested:
Dear Havering
I make this challenge against PCN...............
1. The alleged contravention is not proved as there is no
evidence of upright signage allegedly passed.
2. I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the
alleged contravention is approved for the purposes of para. 7(2)
provided at Schedule I of the London Local Authorities Act 1996
(as amended). Should this not be possible, any evidence is
inadmissible.
In light of the above, please cancel the said PCN.
Yours
Reg. keeper
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I have made a FOIR re the camera, make, name and model.
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Muhammad
Date: August 11, 2024, 8:45 am
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Hey folks..
972EO924 is the web code .Can you please take a look and guide
me further.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/14shtYFgO2phHUWDdUpynQzMGYaOmQOGQ/view?usp=drivesdk
Many thanks
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 11, 2024, 12:43 pm
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I see nothing. I repeat: we need the whole PCN.
#Post#: 32992--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 11, 2024, 2:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Muhammad link ---
>
> Hi folks.
> I uploaded the web code as well.Can you please take a look and
guide me further.
> Many thanks
>
--- End Quote ---
PLease tell us where this web code is, please, as I see nothing.
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 12, 2024, 3:17 am
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Web code: 972EO924. But, please the whole of the PCN.
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 12, 2024, 3:45 am
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I went onto the Havering webpage and no web code was demanded.
The video shows the vehicle merrily proceeding along the bus
lane.
So the OP needs to explain why he drove in the bus lane. Missed
the sign ? Turned left out of a side road ? Turned out of
premises and forgot the lane was there ?
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 12, 2024, 8:25 am
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There is no point in doing the council's job for them.
Also their website is defective as it has the wrong grounds
which is an appeal point at the Tribunal:
Representation Reason
A - The alleged Contravention did not occur
B I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time of
contravention
- I had sold the vehicle before that date
- I had bought the vehicle after that date
- I have never owned that vehicle
C - The vehicle was taken without my consent
D - We are a hire firm and have supplied details
E - The Penalty Charge exceeds the relevant amount
F - There has been a procedural impropriety by the Enforcement
Authority
G - The traffic order contravened is invalid
H - The Notice should not have been served because the Penalty
Charge had already been paid
I - Other
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When the whole PCN is available, I will tidy up the draft.
Please do not pay this!
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Re: Pcn..Driving in a bus lane within restricted period
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 12, 2024, 2:37 pm
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IF the PCN is like the one on this thread, then my draft can be
tweaked:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-pcn-new-road-1306-rm13-bus-lane-contravention/msg17440/#msg17440
Please show the whole of the PCN. Or send it to my email
address.
PM sent. I am more than happy to represent.
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