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       #Post#: 35996--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Used phone at red light ( cyclist footage)
   DIR By: Southpaw82
       Date: September 7, 2024, 6:21 am
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       --- Quote from: Ziggyplayedguitar2 link ---
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       > Looking at the List that The Rookie supplied....
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       > Using Waze or Google Maps could lead to a conviction.Where do
       we stand on Navigation with Mobile Phones ......Millions of us
       do it everyday??
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       While holding the phone?
       #Post#: 35999--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Used phone at red light ( cyclist footage)
   DIR By: d612
       Date: September 7, 2024, 6:42 am
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       Its perfectly legal to use the phone provided it is in a fixed
       cradle. It's the "hand held/phone in your hand" bit while
       driving that creates the offence.
       That said, I'm sure there are some other catch-all legislation
       somewhere that would cover an offence if you were excessively
       interacting with the phone while it WAS in a cradle such to be
       driving without due care and attention to the road. The cradle
       must also not obscure your view of the road.
       There are also exclusions for hand held use covering making
       emergency calls and for paying for something via the phone's NFC
       facility in a "drive through" type retail outlet.
       #Post#: 36035--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Used phone at red light ( cyclist footage)
   DIR By: slapdash
       Date: September 7, 2024, 2:11 pm
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       > Is there anything I can do against this??
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       If you believe you haven't committed an offence go to court and
       plead not guilty.
       As far as I could tell you said "looked at my phone". You
       haven't indicated how you did that. Though if you picked it up
       you don't seem to have a defence.
       #Post#: 36038--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Used phone at red light ( cyclist footage)
   DIR By: The Rookie
       Date: September 7, 2024, 2:44 pm
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       --- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
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       > [quote author=Ziggyplayedguitar2
       link=topic=2756.msg35985#msg35985 date=1725706290]
       > Looking at the List that The Rookie supplied....
       >
       >
       > Using Waze or Google Maps could lead to a conviction.Where do
       we stand on Navigation with Mobile Phones ......Millions of us
       do it everyday??
       >
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       While holding the phone?
       [/quote]
       To expand on what SP said, the mobile offence requires 3
       elements, all of which have to be in place for the offence to be
       committed. The accused would have to be USING a HAND HELD phone
       while DRIVING. Put it on a mount, no offence.
       #Post#: 36085--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Used phone at red light ( cyclist footage)
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: September 8, 2024, 7:43 am
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       Could have been Cycling Mikey who got you as West London is his
       territory. You can see a lot of cases he's referred to the
       police for phone driving here:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/@CyclingMikey
       
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