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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 9, 2024, 6:29 am
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"You need to ask the leasing company if and when the Council
confirmed in writing the cancellation of the first PCN (the one
issued to the company)"
The company received the PCN on the 3/7/24 and they made a
representation on the 10/7/24 and they did not receive any
further correspondence. This was done via email.
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 9, 2024, 6:57 am
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We need all the documents.
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 9, 2024, 9:36 am
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--- Quote from: Hashim link ---
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> "You need to ask the leasing company if and when the Council
confirmed in writing the cancellation of the first PCN (the one
issued to the company)"
>
> The company received the PCN on the 3/7/24 and they made a
representation on the 10/7/24 and they did not receive any
further correspondence. This was done via email.
>
--- End Quote ---
It sounds as if the Council failed to cancel the PCN in their
name, which means that there are two PCNs in existence for the
same alleged offence. Others will confirm.
The PCN you posted is addressed to you at your address?
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 10, 2024, 1:47 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> We need all the documents.
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Yes The PCN that was posted was addressed to me.
I have asked the hire company to send me the original PCN that
was addressed to them.
How do i attach the contract as the uploader is full and Imgur
does not allow PDF's.
Thanks
Hashim
#Post#: 33086--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 12, 2024, 8:30 am
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Hi
I've managed to get the original PCN that was posted to the
lease company.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/rDGi8Nl
Thanks
Hashim
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 12, 2024, 9:06 am
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Hi
HTML https://imgur.com/a/aD0Zh9a
link for the lease contract.
Thanks
Hashim
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 12, 2024, 10:07 am
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--- Quote from: Hashim link ---
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> Hi
>
>
HTML https://imgur.com/a/aD0Zh9a
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> link for the lease contract.
>
> Thanks
>
> Hashim
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 12, 2024, 11:58 am
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Hi.
I'm not an expert in this.
So what does all this mean?.
Thanks
Hashim
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 12, 2024, 12:18 pm
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OP, the situation is actually straightforward.
The demand for payment of the penalty charge was made upon the
lease company;
They made reps as they were entitled to do under the grounds of
'we are a vehicle-hire company and the vehicle was on hire...';
UNTIL the council formally accept these representations - and
you don't know they have, for all you know someone in the
council offices pressed the wrong button and issued a demand for
payment from YOU AS WELL - then the council may not make a
demand from you.
And you are an AS WELL and not an INSTEAD OF until the first
demand is cancelled formally.
Your reps I suggest would be along the following lines:
Penalty exceed the .......circumstances of the case' these being
that:
1. You have checked with the keeper(****leasing company) and it
is clear that the authority had not served a Notice of
Acceptance of Representations on them before they served their
additional demand for payment (PCN) on you. If you have been
misinformed on this point by *** then the authority simply need
to include a copy of their NOA with their reply.
2. The hire agreement and other mandatory details supplied by
*** to the authority in support of their representations did not
comply with statutory requirements and therefore the authority
were not empowered to issue a PCN in your name. .....is the
point being made in the references above and if Hippocrates has
already identified the discrepancies then I won't reinvent this
wheel.
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Re: LBWF-code 52M
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 14, 2024, 1:10 am
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Hi chaps,
Thank you all for the insight into this but could I ask someone
to formally write a representations with the details supplied by
all contributors.
Thanking you in advance.
Hashim
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