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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: Ali khan
       Date: August 1, 2023, 7:51 am
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       I recieved this today.
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       #Post#: 2317--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: August 1, 2023, 8:46 am
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       Congratulations  :)  :)
       You are now free to pursue the case for amending the traffic
       order
  HTML https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/5461
       to allow parking half on pavement as before.
       Begin with your own ward councillors
  HTML https://councillorsupport.bedford.gov.uk/mgFindMember.aspx?XXR=0&AC=WARD&WID=12835&sPC=Enter%20postcode
       and through them the environment committee.
       You need to enlist the support of your neighbours.
       As I indicated earlier, your strongest point would seem to be
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       > It surely cannot be right that the Council are insisting that
       cars park in such a manner as to cause an obstruction - in
       itself an offence.
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       You need to point out the inability, not only of rubbish trucks,
       but more seriously fire-engines etc., to reach properties.
       You should find these
       Road widths are given here
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       page 79 and onstreet parking discussed pages 102ff.
       Road widths are also discussed here
  HTML https://mocktheorytest.com/resources/how-wide-are-roads/
       helpful in making your case.
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       Be aware that the Council's cancellation of your PCN puts you
       (and your neighbours) on notice that the Council are strictly
       enforcing the condition made when issuing a permit to park
       within a marked bay.
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: Ali khan
       Date: August 1, 2023, 9:27 am
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       Thank you for all your help regards this matter, on a further
       note do you think there is anything we can to do have this
       abolished or once implemented it's here to stay. I wasn't in
       favour and i know having spoken to the vast majority of
       residents they weren't either hence why the lack of
       communication from the council, it does appear that this has
       been a back door implementation of the cpz around here, don't
       ever remember receiving anything regards it until it was
       approved , parking was never a problem during the day even GSV
       shows an abundance of places to park and it was only ever in the
       evening parking was a problem and with the restricted parking
       times finishing at 6pm it doesn't solve the evening parking
       issues and most residents new this wouldn't and were against it.
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: August 1, 2023, 9:58 am
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       > on a further note do you think there is anything we can to do
       have this abolished or once implemented it's here to stay
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       You'll never know until you try.
       As I said, start with your local ward councillors, enlist the
       support of your neighbours.
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: guest179
       Date: August 1, 2023, 10:52 am
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       Have what abolished, the requirement to display a permit in
       Southville or the whole amended area?
       1. In Southville alone
       Why would you want to? Apparently the reason for introducing the
       controls was because residents had raised concerns with the
       council about 'congested parking by visitors'. For visitors read
       any non-resident.
       So if you changed Southville only you would worsen, not improve,
       the situation because those motorists displaced from other
       streets would soon clutter your street and then where would you
       park?
       2. The whole amended area?
       On what basis, your experiences? A non-starter especially since
       you had your chance to express views during the consultation
       period before the council finalised its plans and during the
       formal consultation period of the order.
       3. Or what other option
       ??
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: August 1, 2023, 11:12 am
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       I must admit, I had assumed (dangerous I know) that it was the
       requirement to park wholly on the carriageway that needed
       abolition. There are many places where parking half on pavement
       is allowed. and many where bays are painted to facilitate this.
       It seems to me that Ali has two main issues:
       1) obstruction of traffic by parking in marked bays
       2) timing of end of restriction at 6pm.
       re 2: would changing to 7pm help? or 8pm?
       Could it be that the problem in the evening is caused by
       residents returning from work or from using non-permit areas
       during the hours of enforcement, rather than by outsiders?
       I used to live in an area surrounded by ever-increasing CPZs. As
       my area became the last CP free zone for miles around, on-street
       parking became virtually impossible and residents were begging
       the Council for a CPZ.
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: Pastmybest
       Date: August 1, 2023, 11:14 am
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       full edit
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: guest179
       Date: August 1, 2023, 12:17 pm
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       The problem is that the OP hasn't given us any info regarding
       the process.
       OP, don't reinvent the wheel.
       The normal procedure (having determined that there might be a
       problem) is for the council to:
       Call for evidence from stakeholders- normally a letter seeking
       views on whether the recipient has experienced problems, their
       details, what they think might be the cause, why?
       Possibly a roadshow;
       Consideration of options and further consultation on (if it
       exists) a preferred option;
       Officer recommendations to decision maker;
       Draft order with mandatory consultation period;
       EVERY letter/notice would include the responsible officer's name
       and contact details.
       OP?
       Anyway, as you don't have a live PCN perhaps this should be
       continued in the Flame Pit.
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: Ali khan
       Date: August 1, 2023, 12:48 pm
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       Residents returning from work in the evening would congest the
       area as some households are bedsits with 2 cars per household as
       well as some family households with more than 2 cars, i never
       had a problem with finding parking during the day. With us being
       the last in the cpz zone and the charges councils place on 2nd
       and 3rd cars in a household i do know of  some residents who
       were already in a cpz that were reluctant to pay the fees they
       charge for the 2nd and 3rd cars and then would use this area to
       park and hey ho the council would say you have a parking problem
       here, half of it because they push people without permits in pre
       existing cpz's to park in roads where they dont exist and
       because we have a series of walkways it only takes 1 min to be
       on college road, muswell road and mabel road that were pre
       existing cpz. I guess I'll give up on the idea. The council
       invent a problem and then say you have a problem.. If they
       charged the same amount per car regardless of how many cars you
       had it probably wouldn't be such an issue for people to try and
       find alternative parking but when you charge excessively more
       for the 2nd and 3rd cars it hardly seems fair and almost forces
       people to find parking elsewhere, I'll hang up my boots as the
       battle i guess will be lost.. Long live fleecing the motorist
       from all sides. Thanks to all those who gave an input to this
       subject, hopefully at some point they'll change it to allow us
       to park on the verges,i guess they would have to, Bedfordshire
       fire brigade if the info i found today are 3m wide  mirror to
       mirror.
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       Re: Cpz
   DIR By: John U.K.
       Date: August 1, 2023, 12:57 pm
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       In your shoes I would still pursue the width issue. I would not
       like to watch my house burn as the fire brigade  couldn't get
       through because of cars parked in accordance with the Council's
       latest scheme.
       If no-one tellls the Council and the fire brigade of the problem
       nothing will be done :(
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