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#Post#: 102118--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: Snudge88 Date: December 12, 2025, 2:58 am
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So the deadline for payment of court fees has been and gone. No
further contact from BWLegal.
How does the process work from this point? Will I only hear
anything now if the court fees were not paid or the claim is
subsequently discontinued?
#Post#: 102121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: jfollows Date: December 12, 2025, 3:47 am
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It would do no harm for you to contact the court and verify the
status of this.
#Post#: 102123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: Snudge88 Date: December 12, 2025, 4:21 am
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Thanks - called the National Admin Centre who advised that this
specific fee had not been paid, but there was a note on file
that a fee had been paid back in July. Their advice was to
contact Norwich to seek explicit confirmation of the situation.
I emailed Norwich and got an automatic response which basically
said 'we're too busy, and will not respond to emails requesting
updates'.
I assume that the fee paid was for the now-vacated hearing at St
Helens, so the question is whether this is then automatically
applied against the Norwich hearing?
#Post#: 102124--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: jfollows Date: December 12, 2025, 4:27 am
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Call Norwich first thing in the morning usually the best time.
This is one case when telephone makes sense.
#Post#: 102125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: Snudge88 Date: December 12, 2025, 4:34 am
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Thanks for the response.
I assume it's a case of playing the system with my responses in
order to get through to Norwich, and hoping I get a helpful
person on the other end?
My first port of call this morning was to call Norwich, and it
directed me to hang up and call the National centre if my call
related to a civil case.
Alternatively, I'm able to pop in in person if that's an
alternative that would work?
#Post#: 102138--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: b789 Date: December 12, 2025, 5:29 am
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You should continue on the basis that the hearing is going ahead
and the claim remains live unless and until you receive formal
written confirmation that it has ended. An N279 (Notice of
Discontinuance) is one way the claim ends, but it is not the
only way. The claim can also end by the court striking it out,
including where a directions order states that failure to pay
the hearing fee by a specified deadline will result in
strike-out. In practice, youshould not stop preparing simply
because BW Legal go quiet or because no further letters arrive.
Administrative delay is common and the absence of correspondence
is not reliable evidence that the claim has been discontinued or
struck out.
On the hearing fee point, an earlier payment made for a vacated
hearing does usually remain attached to the same claim, and in
many cases HMCTS will treat that fee as paid for the re-listed
final hearing. However, it is not safe to assume it
automatically “transfers” in the sense that the new hearing
centre will necessarily show it as satisfied. When a hearing is
vacated and the matter is re-listed at a different hearing
centre, payments can sometimes sit on the court file as paid but
not properly allocated to the new hearing date, or the local
court record can still show the fee as outstanding until someone
manually reconciles it. The practical consequence is that the
only reliable approach is to verify what the court system
currently shows for the hearing fee status on that claim.
The correct immediate step is therefore to contact the court to
obtain explicit confirmation of the fee position, not to
speculate. Telephone contact first thing in the morning is
usually the most effective. If Norwich court routes civil
enquiries to the National Administration Centre, then you should
ask that centre to check the fee status on the claim record and
confirm whether the hearing fee is recorded as paid, and if so,
on what date, and whether it is treated as satisfying the fee
requirement for the upcoming Norwich hearing. You should make a
clear contemporaneous note of the date and time of the call, the
name or identifier of the person spoken to if given, and exactly
what was said the system shows. If email updates are refused,
which is common, you should still ask for a note to be placed on
the court file recording the enquiry and the advice given.
In short, you proceed as though trial is happening unless you
receive an N279 or a court order or written confirmation that
the claim has been struck out or vacated. The hearing fee
question must be resolved by checking the court record because
earlier payment often applies to the same claim but cannot be
treated as automatically reconciled to a re-listed hearing
without confirmation.
#Post#: 102145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: Snudge88 Date: December 12, 2025, 5:55 am
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Thanks, b789.
Just called in to the Court whilst I was passing, and spoke to a
helpful chap on the back office.
Confirmed what you said about payments transferring, but this
hadn't been noted until I raised it with him.
Payment has been transferred over, and marked as paid. Onwards
we go...
#Post#: 102509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: Snudge88 Date: December 15, 2025, 8:52 am
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Just in terms of checking my 'onward actions', what do I need to
do, and what should I expect over the course of the next three
weeks?
I note that the main Direction is that "Each party must deliver
to the other party and to the court office copies of all
documents on which that party intends to rely at the hearing no
later than fourteen days before the hearing.".
For my part I have my paginated bundle that was originally
prepared and submitted for the vacated St Helens hearing,
comprising:
[list type=decimal]
[li]Witness Statement[/li]
[li]Copy of Brennan v PPS[/li]
[li]Copy of Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Ian Mark Edward[/li]
[li]Annotated photographs showing locations of missing/illegible
signage, taking from my video of the site[/li]
[li]Annotated version of NTC's site plan, showing locations of
illegible/missing signage[/li]
[/list]
Other than making the necessary amendments to the bundle to
reflect the move to Norwich, are there any other amendments I
need to make to my own bundle, before re-submitting it on or
before 25th December?
(n.b. Will the existence of the Christmas holiday impact upon
certain service dates?)
I assume that BWLegal will also be submitting their own revised
bundle, and would guess that I may receive it a little before
the deadline owing to their likely Christmas shut-down. I take
it that we're expecting it to be the same but for, perhaps, the
inclusion of their supplemental evidence dated 24th June and,
potentially, being amended to 'cure' the Eden Moore situation?
Is there anything else I need to be doing in the interim?
#Post#: 102533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: b789 Date: December 15, 2025, 11:00 am
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As no previous images exist due to the site owner deleting them
all, I need to see all the original documents and what I
provided to you. Also, please give me all the relevant dates for
the hearing.
I am about to begin a two day journey tomorrow and will likely
only have limited comms for the next 3 days at least and I will
be 6 hours behind you until some time early to mid January, so
if I don't answer immediately, I will be trying to catch up over
the course of the next week.
There should not be anything that needs updating but without
seeing it all, it is difficult to answer. What you DO NOT do is
send anything until the actual deadline. However, if it was
already sent for the previous hearing, there should not need to
be any thing else sent.
#Post#: 102568--------------------------------------------------
Re: Norwich Traffic Control PCN - Unauthorised Parking - St Anne
's Quarter, Norwich
By: Snudge88 Date: December 15, 2025, 1:52 pm
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Hi b789
I've re-uploaded everything to Google Drive, which should now be
visible at this address:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Pl6JWUnidWTdy-QyQpqKjj-exgYbMKn9?usp=drive_link
Everything substantive should be there, including the initial
back-and-forth with BWLegal which is referred to in my defence.
The other relevant documents (NTD, NTK, Claim Form, and their
N180) are in a single document bundle.
This should cover off everything that we've done so far, but
please let me know if there's anything missing.
The Witness Statement dated 10/06/2025 was submitted in
anticipation of the St Helens hearing, so BWLegal will already
have had sight of this.
Thanks again for all your assistance so far.
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