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#Post#: 32082--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: H-M3
Date: August 3, 2024, 6:39 am
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I was just reading up and came across case ref 2160240742. What
are the experts views, also I feel that the council need to
consider the drivers view and not cctv especially at night time.
I am still in shock as I am dumbfounded as to how I missed these
boxes! Thanks peeps
#Post#: 32084--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: H-M3
Date: August 3, 2024, 6:43 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I've had a look at both videos. Both show a pretty textbook
contravention.
>
> However, I believe we've had some success in the past with
Redbridge YBJ PCNs as they always just state the location as a
singular street name when in reality it is at the junction of
two roads. Both PCNs are in respect of different box junctions
along Ilford Lane, but this road is about 1 mile long and
clearly has more than box junction along it (I say clearly as
you have been caught in two different ones - they must be newish
as they don't feature on Googlemaps yet so I cannot say
specifically how many there are).
>
> A PCN is required by law to state the grounds on which the
authority believe a penalty charge is payable. If the location
is unclear, there's a reasonable case to be made the PCNs cannot
be enforced.
>
> In respect of the first one, the time of contravention is also
slightly wrong. It says 2232 when you entered the box (and
stopped) at 2231.
>
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I see your point. They have only specified the road as “Ilford
Lane” that road is a long stretch of road with several YBJs I
believe. Thanks
#Post#: 32103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 3, 2024, 9:07 am
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It would strengthen this argument if we knew how many there are
along the length of Ilford Lane. I normally look at satellite
view on Google maps but I think these have been painted on since
it was last updated.
From other Redbridge cases I've seen on here, they seem to have
been busy recently adding ybjs all over the place, even to
junctions with minor side roads.
#Post#: 32109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: H-M3
Date: August 3, 2024, 9:43 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> It would strengthen this argument if we knew how many there
are along the length of Ilford Lane. I normally look at
satellite view on Google maps but I think these have been
painted on since it was last updated.
>
> From other Redbridge cases I've seen on here, they seem to
have been busy recently adding ybjs all over the place, even to
junctions with minor side roads.
>
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After these two PCNs I feel even scared to step on that damn
road :'( will see if I can pop down one eve after work.
#Post#: 32110--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 3, 2024, 9:54 am
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> It would strengthen this argument if we knew how many there
are along the length of Ilford Lane.
>
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Maybe it strengthens the argument even more if we don't know how
many yellow boxes there are.
[member=557]H-M3[/member] here's a draft I've come up with:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Redbridge,
I challenge liability on the ground that the penalty charge
notice does not adequately particularise the alleged wrongdoing.
The location of the alleged contravention is given as "Ilford
Lane", the name of the road junction is not given. I have looked
online and I can see that Ilford Lane is over a mile long and
has some 35 junctions, but I cannot find any box junction
markings so it seems the box markings have been painted since
the Google Street View car last drove down this road.
As the notice does not allow me to understand where it is that
the contravention is alleged to have taken place, the notice
does not adequately specify the grounds on which you believe the
penalty is payable, I refer you to the decision of adjudicator
Carl Teper in Saijal Patel v London Borough of Brent
(2160240742, 8 August 2016) and adjudicator Andrew Harman in
Sandra Grauzyte v London Borough of Redbridge (2230201115, 31
May 2023).
It follows that the notice must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send the representation online and keep a screenshot of the
confirmation page.
#Post#: 32119--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: MrChips
Date: August 3, 2024, 10:59 am
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Very happy with that.
Don't forget you need to submit representations against both
PCNs.
#Post#: 32133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: H-M3
Date: August 3, 2024, 12:41 pm
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Grand! Thanks I will get that drafted and sent.
Thank you
#Post#: 35666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: monz87
Date: September 4, 2024, 3:26 pm
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Hi, any update on your appeal? I just got one on Ilford Lane!
#Post#: 35668--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: H-M3
Date: September 4, 2024, 3:39 pm
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Hi, no not yet, will keep this thread posted once I do.
Thanks
#Post#: 35719--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 5, 2024, 5:15 am
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--- Quote from: monz87 link ---
>
> Hi, any update on your appeal? I just got one on Ilford Lane!
>
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Please start your own thread. :)
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