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PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: gem
Date: July 29, 2024, 11:04 am
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I have received a PCN from Barnet for apparently stopping in a
box junction, Cant remember how long I was in the junction.
Are there any grounds to appeal it?
My friend will put the pictures of the PCB up a bit later.
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: mickR
Date: July 29, 2024, 2:22 pm
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READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**,
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
we need to see the VIDEO, that's the most important thing.
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: Korting
Date: July 29, 2024, 5:02 pm
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I have tried to load pictures and a video on here, but the video
file is unsupported and the pictures are too big in size.
I can share the reg number and PCN No with CP or HCA if you so
wish.
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: mickR
Date: July 29, 2024, 5:34 pm
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using a remote host ??
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: Korting
Date: July 30, 2024, 8:03 am
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Here are some copies of the PCN
HTML https://imgur.com/a/ixmS0PW
HTML https://imgur.com/a/eujJWcb
HTML https://imgur.com/a/je859I6
HTML https://imgur.com/a/CUe2k4s
HTML https://imgur.com/a/a2SP0gP
I can't upload the video but it looks like what's happenned is
that the car in front went through the YB and then stopped when
they could have moved a few feet forward.
Gem would have therefore expected to clear the box junction when
she entered.
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 30, 2024, 9:15 am
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You need to unredact the PCN no and VRM then someone can post
the video which is the critical thing.
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: Korting
Date: July 30, 2024, 4:38 pm
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LT22MXX
AG46167659
Thanks
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 30, 2024, 5:02 pm
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HTML https://imgur.com/EM56kp5
[img]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/EM56kp5.mp4[/img]
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 30, 2024, 5:23 pm
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Having looked at the video, it is quite clear that the yellow
box is too long, and not just at the junction. The connecting
kerbs have a very wide radius but it is not obligatory for the
box corners to come up to them. Looking at where you stopped,
you were in the excessive length part. No obstruction was caused
as is shown by a car coming out of the other street and driving
past the rear of your car without any difficulty whatsoever.
So submit reps on this basis, but it is inevitable you'd have to
take them to London Tribunals for an unbiased judgment.
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Re: PCN for being in a box junction
DIR By: Korting
Date: July 31, 2024, 5:57 pm
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How is this for my appeal:
I am appealing this PCN on the following grounds grounds.
It would appear that the size of the box is too long. The
corners of the junction have a very wide radius, but it is not
necessary for the box to cover that both corners. Indeed it
appears that it does not conform to the regulations as set out
in the ........ Can someone tell me what regulations!! if the
box would have been the correct length, I would have cleared it.
No obstruction to other traffic was caused, indeed you can see a
car pulling out from the side turning and turning right without
any impediment.
The white car in front of mine proceeded over the box junction
and then stopped when there was no need to and I had expected to
clear the box junction had the driver have moved up as they
should have.
Under the circumstances I expect the Council to cancel this PCN.
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