DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so ...
*****************************************************
#Post#: 40085--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: Neil B
Date: October 9, 2024, 10:06 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Jamran link ---
>
> Additionally, the only CPZ sign was all the way in Bow which
could’ve been obscured by a bus or lorry.
>
--- End Quote ---
Exaggerating does you no favours.
The sign you are talking about is not in Bow at all but
Stratford High Street.
I personally know of others; one just around the corner from the
incident, in Forest Lane, others in Water Lane, Romford Rd and
just to the North of you in Leytonstone Road.
#Post#: 40128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 10, 2024, 5:39 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
>
> [quote author=Jamran link=topic=2651.msg40076#msg40076
date=1728513910]
> Additionally, the only CPZ sign was all the way in Bow which
could’ve been obscured by a bus or lorry.
>
--- End Quote ---
Exaggerating does you no favours.
The sign you are talking about is not in Bow at all but
Stratford High Street.
I personally know of others; one just around the corner from the
incident, in Forest Lane, others in Water Lane, Romford Rd and
just to the North of you in Leytonstone Road.
[/quote]
I believe the OP came via Stratford High Street where signage is
a long way from where parked. But the primary ground here will
be the defective signage that does not separate out event day
scope.
#Post#: 40146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: Jamran
Date: October 10, 2024, 6:37 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
>
> [quote author=Jamran link=topic=2651.msg40076#msg40076
date=1728513910]
> Additionally, the only CPZ sign was all the way in Bow which
could’ve been obscured by a bus or lorry.
>
--- End Quote ---
Exaggerating does you no favours.
The sign you are talking about is not in Bow at all but
Stratford High Street.
I personally know of others; one just around the corner from the
incident, in Forest Lane, others in Water Lane, Romford Rd and
just to the North of you in Leytonstone Road.
[/quote]
I wasn’t exaggerating. If you had read earlier posts you’d know
that on the route I travelled, the only CPZ signage was the one
after Bow Flyover.
#Post#: 40224--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 10, 2024, 11:23 am
---------------------------------------------------------
The regs provide that this form of sign may be varied using a
'permitted expression'.
In this case:
The expressions “Match”, “match”, “Event”, “event”, “Market”,
“market”, “Day”, “day”, “On”, “on”, any of those expressions in
the plural or the expression “Next” or that expression without a
capital letter may be used with any of the expressions permitted
by paragraph 1, 2, 3 or 4 as appropriate.
1.—(1) A reference to a time, or to times, of the day may be
shown as, or varied to, the following—
(a)a period of time expressed as “7.30 – 9.00 am”, “7 - 9 am”,
“7.30 am – 6 pm”, “4 – 7 pm”, “4.00 – 6.30 pm”, “8 pm – 6 am”,
“8 pm – 6 am next day” or any other time period and which may
include the expression “Midnight”, “M’night”, “Midday” or “Noon”
;
I cannot find any fault with the sign itself.
OP, your choice. IMO, on the evidence so far you do not have a
strong case, you would be hoping that the authority could not
present evidence to the standard required by the adjudicator on
the day that 'event day' notifications were present on the signs
you passed.
Alternatively, that they commit a procedural impropriety, again
to the standard required by your adjudicator.
#Post#: 40284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 10, 2024, 4:50 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
An adjudicator found this sign is not good enough and I agree.
If they want to apply event days to Sunday this misleads as it
can easily be seen as qualifying Mon-Sat, and the reliance on a
CPZ sign alone with no clue at the location about events
compounds this.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/CgM8SOz.png
#Post#: 40307--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 11, 2024, 3:22 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Agree.
'An adjudicator found..'.
Hence why I refer to the 'adjudicator on the day'.
#Post#: 40327--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 11, 2024, 5:22 am
---------------------------------------------------------
So your advice is to give up?
As you know cases are won with preparation - can you honestly
say Newham's sign conveys information adequately when compared
with Islington's?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/hWNjNR6.png
#Post#: 40351--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 11, 2024, 7:11 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Ironic that 'Additional controls' is not wording permitted under
the regs' variations despite making the restriction clearer!
OP, IMO you cannot say to the council 'you must set out the
wording as per this example' because there's no such
requirement. But what you could and I believe should say is that
you were confused by the wording used because you read this as
meaning that the times 8am-9pm were extended times which applied
only to those days specified above i.e. Mon-Sat. You believe
such an interpretation was perfectly reasonable. You've attached
an example of how another London council words its traffic signs
which makes its meaning totally clear.
For others, GSV shows that the wording 'Event days' etc. is
word-for-word used on the CPZ signs and again sits below
Mon-Sat. I wonder how many people are caught out on SYL on
'event days' which occur on Sundays?
#Post#: 40373--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 11, 2024, 9:07 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> OP, IMO you cannot say to the council 'you must set out the
wording as per this example' because there's no such
requirement. But what you could and I believe should say is that
you were confused by the wording used because you read this as
meaning that the times 8am-9pm were extended times which applied
only to those days specified above i.e. Mon-Sat. You believe
such an interpretation was perfectly reasonable. You've attached
an example of how another London council words its traffic signs
which makes its meaning totally clear.
>
>
> For others, GSV shows that the wording 'Event days' etc. is
word-for-word used on the CPZ signs and again sits below
Mon-Sat. I wonder how many people are caught out on SYL on
'event days' which occur on Sundays?
>
--- End Quote ---
What you suggest is what we are talking about...
You are right that the CPZ entry signs are also deficient and of
course they don't control the parking bays, but they are the
only link with the bay conditions. The adjudicated case I posted
also says this.
#Post#: 40622--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
DIR By: regis
Date: October 13, 2024, 8:53 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[1] Is this the First ever instance OP has parked in Newham in
an Event Day relevant Bay? and if NOT, how does OP usually
receive notification of an Event Day in Newham?
*****************************************************
Page 4 of 6
DIR Previous Page
DIR Next Page