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#Post#: 31438--------------------------------------------------
PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: mkdon
Date: July 28, 2024, 10:01 am
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Hi
I got a ticket last night for being parked on Poplars Road E17,
its a no through road with bollards at the end preventing cars
to get onto Lea Bridge road.
I had parked outside number 57 on double yellows ( see second
pic) and displayed a blue badge, it was just inches away from
the bays which were all taken. I set my timer and left.
I got a ticket saying it is restricted road however my car was
sandwiched between 2 signs (see link below) one said 'Controlled
Zone 8am - 6.30pm' and the other further down was one saying
permit holders only (see attachment)
There were NO signs saying it was restricted or no loading. The
warden however did take a picture of a sign on the corner of the
road which is facing the main road saying no loading. As you can
see from google maps that's on Lea Bridge road and has a further
2 more posts saying the same thing in in close proximity with
bright yellow lines on the floor. This is expected as there a
row of shops there.
It seems the warden is trying to apply that sign to Poplars
road. Can anyone advise how to to best appeal? Even if that
sign was meant for Poplars road its so far away that its
impossible for anyone to see it. The road becomes 1 lane at the
end so no car can actually go there as there so space to do a U
turn and even if you were to walk up, you wont see it as the
road bends to the right whilst the pavement is straight.
The warden did me fav too but taking pics showing there are no
yellow lines on the curb thus how is anyone meant to know its
restricted?
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#Post#: 31439--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 28, 2024, 10:58 am
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You haven't posted the PCN, so please do so, all sides.
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: mkdon
Date: July 28, 2024, 11:19 am
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/pWYfK3C
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: July 28, 2024, 11:24 am
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Please get and post the council photos. Gsv shows double kerb
blips but they seem in poor condition. We need to see exactly
where you were parked
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: mkdon
Date: July 28, 2024, 11:50 am
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/J9rm8Pc
HTML https://imgur.com/a/5SBprKy
HTML https://imgur.com/a/4dG29P0
As you can see, are are no lines on curb in the pics the council
took
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 28, 2024, 12:45 pm
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Well, sorry, but I see one on the first picture in your listing
! And here they are in GSV dated April 2022.
Yes, they are worn, but visible, so I think you'd struggle to
convince an adjudicator.
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: mkdon
Date: July 28, 2024, 12:53 pm
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But shouldn't they have to be clear? The picture the warden took
is even more fainter than the GSV, you can barely see anything.
Also the sign they got is not even on the road I was parked on.
As far as I was aware I was on just double yellows immediately
after the last parking bay.
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 28, 2024, 1:09 pm
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The kerb blips must be sufficiently clear to a motorist thinking
of parking there. Here is the sign for No Loading: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4BKHkUTNfwpDtPPW9
You have the right to take them to London Tribunal on the worn
kerb blips. If you do this, then you really need to prove they
are virtually non-existent, but the photos you have posted do
show them. They are not expected to be in perfect condition. My
view is that you don't have a strong case, but others may
differ, so wait a bit to see what they say, but don't miss the
deadline to pay or submit reps.
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: mkdon
Date: July 28, 2024, 1:11 pm
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I've drafted the following. Is it OK to send as my initial
appeal
I wish to appeal against this pcn due to lack of/poor quality
signage.
I had turned onto Poplars and was unable to see any spaces in
the parking pays
The only signs visible were the ones saying 'permit holders
only' and 'Controlled Zone'
As I had my son who is autistic with me, I parked on the double
yellows and displayed his blue badge. This was adjacent to the
last parking bay.
As your own pictures show, there are no yellow lines on the
pavement to indicate it's a loading bay
Furthermore the picture of the 'No Loading' signage is at the
very end of the road on the junction with Lea Leabridge Road and
only visible for those driving on Lea Bridge road.
I thus believe this ticket should be cancelled due to no signage
and/or lack of clear signage due to there being no yellow lines
on the curb on Poplars road and the signage with the 'No
Loading" being on Lea Bridge road and only visible for those
driving on Lea Bridge road.
Regards
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
DIR By: mkdon
Date: July 28, 2024, 1:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The kerb blips must be sufficiently clear to a motorist
thinking of parking there. Here is the sign for No Loading: -
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4BKHkUTNfwpDtPPW9
>
> You have the right to take them to London Tribunal on the worn
kerb blips. If you do this, then you really need to prove they
are virtually non-existent, but the photos you have posted do
show them. They are not expected to be in perfect condition. My
view is that you don't have a strong case, but others may
differ, so wait a bit to see what they say, but don't miss the
deadline to pay or submit reps.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeh il wait but if you see the pics the warden took, they are
even more faded than ones on GSV. It shouldn't have to be you
only notice them if they are pointed out to you. They should be
easily visible for anyone to see. The sign showing no loading
is by the no entry sign into the road I was parked on, even if
you wanted to enter you can't because of the bollards so how do
they expect anyone to read that sign? Its obvious the sign is
for lea bridge not Poplars road.
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