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#Post#: 31205--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: moonshine23
Date: July 25, 2024, 1:34 pm
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--- Quote from: Irksome link ---
>
> Your daughter was effectively the keeper. You should have
nominated her.
>
> I hope you are not suggesting you've been 'fronting' = your
account looks dangerously like that might be what has been
occurring. You don't seem to have any reason for being the
registered keeper at all?
>
> Your email response is potentially your get out here - you
cannot be found guilty of the speeding offence as no driver
nomination was made (apparently); so it falls to the Failure to
Provide charge, and what you wrote in the email is going to be
of key importance and whether you can prove it was delivered
(the same applies to your written response, but it appears that
was not received).
>
--- End Quote ---
This was the word for word response I sent as the body of the
email:
Hi,
Attaching a copy of my letter disputing my vehicle was at the
location on the date of offence per my notice letter.
I've included a printed copy sent in the post however wanted to
include a digital copy of the letter for the image quality.
My subject line was my reg and CTO Ref from the NIP.
Also no - please don't assume "fronting". My daughter has
insurance with herself as the first driver and her own address.
I am only the keeper because I bought the car as a grad. present
and the finance term has only just ended. On her insurance
paperwork the registered keeper is myself - I'm sure this is
allowed?
#Post#: 31261--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: July 26, 2024, 4:02 am
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So the 'letter' seems relevant, can you share the contents?
#Post#: 31282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: moonshine23
Date: July 26, 2024, 5:41 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> So the 'letter' seems relevant, can you share the contents?
>
--- End Quote ---
Here is the letter I've erased the sensitive info. I understand
that the Google Timeline isn't much proof but it's all she had
and isn't it better to show something rather than nothing? It's
a picture:
#Post#: 31284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: moonshine23
Date: July 26, 2024, 5:47 am
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RE
Dear Central Ticket Office Team,
I have received a speeding offence which I am disputing, details
below:
CTO Reference: Registration:
Make
The notice states the vehicle was driven in XXX at XX
I am disputing this as the vehicle XXX was most definitely not
in this area, let alone being driven at this time.
The vehicle was infact parked at XXX at the time of the alleged
offence. This address is the home of my daughter the main driver
of this vehicle.
The vehicle was driven the first time on this date when my
daughter left the
house in the afternoon to attend her 8 week postnatal check at
the GP at 13:48. am including a screenshot of the following as
evidence:
My daughters Google Maps Location Timeline history on history.
The first journey is recorded as leaving her house at 13:48
showing her travel
- A screenshot from the video Eufy doorbell. This doorbell only
captures and records moments where movement is detected rather
than continuous recording. The first recording on XXX shows her
leaving the property to enter the vehicle in the afternoon. The
vehicle is parked the driveway. There are no recordings earlier
than 01:34PM as movement was detected.
-Photo of front and rear as the car was at the time of the
alleged offence (parked on driveway)
I am not certain whether there are any continous recording
Council CCTV cameras at my daughter's location with a view of
her driveway. I would request Police to investigate this as I do
not have the right to access private footage due to GDPR
regulations. If so, please view footage from the alleged offence
to prove the vehicle was parked on the driveway. I also urge the
team to check ANPR recordings from which will prove my vehicle
was not driven in that area at that time.
I have provided an explanation and all the evidence available to
me. Please provide written acknowledgement of my dispute and
what actions have been taken.
Yours sincerely,
#Post#: 31289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: slapdash
Date: July 26, 2024, 9:11 am
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Have you responded - in the manner in which you are requested to
- to the SJPN.
Whilst you are corresponding with the CTO the SJ process
continues. Unless you actually deal with it as required you will
eventually just get convicted in your absence. You .it struggle
to get the case reopened since you are aware of it.
#Post#: 31295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: moonshine23
Date: July 26, 2024, 10:48 am
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Yes I responded online to the SJP. I pleaded not guilty and have
been summoned to court. I am seeking advise on how to conduct
myself.
#Post#: 31299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: Irksome
Date: July 26, 2024, 11:44 am
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Are you sure you want to plead not guilty?
I think your defence to the S172 charge is weak, and it would
take a fair wind for you to be found not guilty. You were not
really equivocal in your response and did not nominate anyone
else which is your responsibility as the RK (although not
apparently the keeper at the time).
A contested trial is going to cost you around double in terms of
costs and a larger fine etc.
#Post#: 31304--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: July 26, 2024, 12:29 pm
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Have you given any thought to how you might counter the evidence
when the police present a photo of your car which they've used
to identify it? I believe you've seen that photograph and you've
said it "...looks like a similar shape to my vehicle but it
isn't distinctly obvious."
I don't think you've mentioned it (apologies if you have) but is
the location anywhere that you know and somewhere your car might
have been driven?
#Post#: 31487--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: moonshine23
Date: July 29, 2024, 2:10 am
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Of course I want to plead not guilty - I cannot possibly fathom
taking responsibility for an incident especially when I've done
nothing wrong!
The NIP was responded too, the police themselves when I called
to report the possibility of a cloned plate had said that its
possible because I couldn't nominate someone that the response
went down as not received. But they were understanding that I
couldn't identify a driver as I know my car was in my control so
how could they expect me to?
The area is on the other side of town that I do not visit. So
there is no way I was there..
#Post#: 31489--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect road name on NIP and different date on SJP -
Summons to court
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: July 29, 2024, 2:17 am
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--- Quote from: moonshine23 link ---
>
> Yes I responded to the SJP and have been summoned to court.
I'm looking for advice how to present snd structure my case
>
--- End Quote ---
So the questions I raided in my earlier post (#17) remains. The
first of those two is particularly important.
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