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#Post#: 31143--------------------------------------------------
HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: nm1827
Date: July 25, 2024, 9:20 am
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Similar to another post here on this site. Was in a line of
traffic and the width restriction came up suddenly.
My car is a Mercedes CLS AMG and I was not sure it would fit
through.
There appeared to be absolutely no signage until at the
restriction, and so I made a hasty decision to go through the
middle (no signpost that cars are prohibited i.e. there wasn't
any bus lane signage etc).
PCN is uploaded here:
HTML https://imgur.com/eXPA1bD
Advice please!
#Post#: 31145--------------------------------------------------
Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: nm1827
Date: July 25, 2024, 9:22 am
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Also here is google maps image of the location:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/7wV86Bk
#Post#: 31150--------------------------------------------------
Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 25, 2024, 9:34 am
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Whole PCN please.
#Post#: 31736--------------------------------------------------
Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: nm1827
Date: July 31, 2024, 11:04 am
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HTML https://pdfupload.io/docs/afc4dce0
Here it is. sorry for the delay, had to give birth to a baby.
Suppose that won't be accepted as a mitigating circumstance
would it
#Post#: 31755--------------------------------------------------
Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: July 31, 2024, 1:20 pm
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--- Quote from: nm1827 link ---
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>
HTML https://pdfupload.io/docs/afc4dce0
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> Here it is. sorry for the delay, had to give birth to a baby.
Suppose that won't be accepted as a mitigating circumstance
would it
>
--- End Quote ---
Congratulations!
...but probably not (unless the baby is over 6ft 6 wide).
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Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 31, 2024, 3:31 pm
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They have fixed the number of grounds wording.
Challenge
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You should be aware that there are only a few mitigating
circumstances that will be considered. For information on legal
grounds for challenging your PCN, view the Environment and
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Under the Traffic Management Act 2004, you should get a response
within 56 days.
#Post#: 31812--------------------------------------------------
Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: nm1827
Date: August 1, 2024, 4:42 am
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[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] any previous cases you know of
where signage was deemed inadequate and so the argument can be
made that no penalty charge is payable?
The signage at the width restriction was terrible. You turn a
corner and there it is. If in a line of traffic there is little
chance to turn back around.
#Post#: 31816--------------------------------------------------
Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 1, 2024, 5:01 am
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--- Quote from: nm1827 link ---
>
> [member=24]Hippocrates[/member] any previous cases you know of
where signage was deemed inadequate and so the argument can be
made that no penalty charge is payable?
>
> The signage at the width restriction was terrible. You turn a
corner and there it is. If in a line of traffic there is little
chance to turn back around.
>
--- End Quote ---
Any advance signs on the approach roads, in particular for
drivers turning left ?
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Re: HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction lack of
signage
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 1, 2024, 6:04 am
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Had a look with no success I am afraid. Post up a draft for
consideration please.
#Post#: 57769--------------------------------------------------
Re HARROW - Charlton Rd - PCN s38L - width restriction include
lack of signage
DIR By: Bustagate
Date: February 12, 2025, 3:24 am
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I realise it's too late for this OP, but when I looked at Google
Street View for Charlton Road I was surprised by the height of
the offside post at the width restriction: it looks about
1.2-1.3m.
Width restrictions apply to the overall width of a vehicle (as
defined by regulation 3 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and
Use) Regulations 1986
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/3).<br
/>That specifically excludes "driving mirrors".
As the offside post was of a height which meant that the offside
driving mirror would be included in the width to which the
restriction applied and the vehicle's overall width was just
within the specified width, the OP could claim justification for
going over the hatched area as a result of being misled by the
advance notice as to what the width restriction was.
With regard to the adequacy of the signage: they've removed the
No Entry sign which used to be on the bollard on the right of
the hatching. That reinforced that you weren't meant to go over
the hatching between the bollards and was present for some years
after they removed the gate. Now they're relying solely on the
tiny Keep Left arrow on the left bollard. Other local
authorities which have width restrictions at the edges of the
road with a white-hatched area between the bollards use
full-size Keep Left signs on poles on the traffic island (often
with a Traffic Enforcement Camera plate on the same pole): see
24, Barnsbury Street Islington.
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