DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so ...
*****************************************************
#Post#: 31130--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: July 25, 2024, 7:22 am
---------------------------------------------------------
If you're worried about getting an SAR right, don't be! The
burden is actually on the organisation to treat anything that
looks like an SAR as an SAR.
As long as you prove who you are and you make it clear what you
want the organisation to tell you, you'll be fine. The
Information Commissioner has a guide to making an SAR here:
HTML https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/getting-copies-of-your-information-subject-access-request/how-to-make-a-subject-access-request/<br
/>
...but I think their guidance to organisations on how to
recognise an SAR might actually be more useful to reassure you:
HTML https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/individual-rights/right-of-access/how-do-we-recognise-a-subject-access-request-sar/<br
/>
#Post#: 31165--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Pressman
Date: July 25, 2024, 10:53 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I recommend not giving a SAR because Rufeus must keep his
address confidential, and registrants demand this evidence,
which is why they prefer and encourage a SAR rather than Rule 6.
Penalties for failure to comply with an SAR are minimal, whereas
failure to respond with a Rule 6 notice can impact the level of
costs if a claim follows, which is many thousands.
#Post#: 31242--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Rufeus
Date: July 25, 2024, 8:19 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Thanks to everyone for your input. There's some contradicting
advice and I appreciate everyone is suggesting what they think
is best.
I understand Pressman's concern about giving my current address.
What I haven't mentioned is that the V5C address was changed to
my current address this year (before this became an issue).
Would that not mean that the bailiffs would get hold of it quite
easily?
There seems to be a lot of layman's guidance online about
issuing a SAR but the Rule 6 is sparse and complicated.
In the meantime I have drafted a SAR and attached it for review
(redacted any personal details).
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pu180kf3aascp8xpkdjrz/Letter_CityofLondon_SAR_240726.pdf?rlkey=arv88x2wrakug4pn2dsbcd7iu&st=jf3u4b2f&dl=0
Any feedback is welcome.
Thank you.
#Post#: 31244--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 26, 2024, 2:00 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Boxing and coxing with your current address is pointless IMO. In
fact, I recommend you pay the bailiff.
Why?
Because this caps your liability and if your OOT is successful
then the bailff's fees would be refunded in addition to the
surcharged penalty and you'll be back to regular procedure. If
your OOT is unsuccessful then, as you implied, do you really
think you could play cat and mouse with the bailiff? The
authority has a warrant from the court and you have a life to
lead. Let's keep things simple IMO.
As regards your draft, they (as in the council who IMO do NOT,
as implied, refuse to answer SAR requests on a whim and do not
need their arms twisting with extra- procedural legal action) do
not need or want to know about the why of your request. You
could substitute this with 'As the registered keeper of vehicle
**** I require all notices and correspondence issued by the
council and their enforcement agents to me in respect of PCN
********.
#Post#: 31546--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Rufeus
Date: July 29, 2024, 8:51 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the feedback, H C Andersen.
I tend to agree – the stress about having my family exposed to
the fear, and potential experience, of bailiffs arriving at our
door is not something I want.
As nobody else has given any alternative thoughts, I'll send the
SAR this afternoon (along with your suggested amendment). If
their response takes longer than the elapsed 21 days then I
might pay the bailiffs before proceeding with the rest of the
challenge.
#Post#: 31608--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Rufeus
Date: July 30, 2024, 5:43 am
---------------------------------------------------------
The SAR has been sent to pto@cityoflondon.gov.uk
While I'm waiting for their response, is there anything I can do
to trigger the OOT (and in turn, delay the bailiffs?)
Do the PE2 and PE3 have to be submitted together? Or is it
possible to submit one that doesn't rely on any information I'll
be waiting on the SAR?
Thanks
#Post#: 31615--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 30, 2024, 7:17 am
---------------------------------------------------------
If you're Out-of-Time, you have to submit both forms together;
one is the actual declaration, the other is to request to submit
out-of-time.
#Post#: 31618--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Rufeus
Date: July 30, 2024, 7:44 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for clarification, Incandescent
#Post#: 31680--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: Rufeus
Date: July 30, 2024, 6:33 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I've received a very unhelpful response to my SAR from City of
London PTO referring me to the PCN link on their website that
contains no reference to the PCN correspondence:
HTML https://imgur.com/ZEneQwF
This is my draft response:
--- Quote ---
>
> Dear L Burgess, Parking Ticket Office, City of London
>
> In my previous email sent 30/07/24, I asked for all
correspondence regarding regarding PCN CL59095142.
>
> The web link that you provided does not reference any of the
notices and correspondence issued by the council and their
enforcement agents including letters, dates, and the associated
address(es).
>
> I refer, once again, to the subject access request that I sent
in my previous email and attached herein. Please supply the data
about me that I am entitled to under data protection law.
>
> If you need advice on dealing with this request, the
Information Commissioner’s Office can assist you as mentioned in
the same letter.
--- End Quote ---
Do you think my response is adequate?
Thanks
#Post#: 31697--------------------------------------------------
Re: BAILIFF NOTICE: City of London, Code 52M vehicle in
bus/bicycle-only zone, Cornhill
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 31, 2024, 5:14 am
---------------------------------------------------------
To whom did you send your SAR?
It has nothing to do with parking services or parking/road
traffic legislation as such and your reply should have come from
the council department charged with dealing with all SARs.
*****************************************************
Page 2 of 4
DIR Previous Page
DIR Next Page