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#Post#: 30166--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: July 17, 2024, 7:15 am
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WOW!
Thanks so much.
That also explains the "upto 9 hours" bit, 10pm to 7am is indeed
9 hours.
So basically, even if I had paid £15 on the machine or £15.20 on
the PayByPhone they would still have sent me this PCN. Basically
saying, I just can't park here at all. That is definitely new
information for me.
I did try to email Morrisons to get it quashed but they said
landlord/ParkingEye manage this.
My cousin lives in this building above Morrisons, essentially
only way to avoid is to leave every two-hours and return if I am
doing longer stays there. Is that correct?
And now knowing their PCN format, worst case I would deny
sharing driver details and try to make these go away like that.
Very useful board, I did try to google earlier but only
moneysavingexpert showed up, I am sure the guys there are
experts as well but they were discouraging new posts so much
that I ended up not asking. Many thanks for all replies from
hero users and moderator.
I would wait for now, and hope for the best, having spent so
much time understanding this, I will see how far they stretch,
if I hear anything after "Final Notice" I will post here for
advice. Thanks again.
#Post#: 30179--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 17, 2024, 8:03 am
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I suggest you talk to your cousin. If this car park accommodates
drivers other than simply Morrisons, whose opening hours are
exactly the same as those on the board, then ask them how. If it
doesn't, then it's not intended for visitors, it's for
customers.
Also, if you have the time I suggest that you read this(skip the
debate about penalties and the second case and just read Beavis)
and then think whether CRA provides a defence. Their Lordships
didn't think so. Para. 107 has clear parallels with your
situation and the test of 'fairness' was met because there must
clearly be requirement for PE (coincidentally the same company
as in your case) to ensure that drivers do not overstay the
2-hour limit because it seems it's a shoppers' car park.
HTML http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/uk/cases/UKSC/2015/67.html&query=(Beavis)
And something you've not mentioned is your lease company. It's
pretty standard practice for these to charge hirers a fee for
their handling costs i.e. challenging PCNs, are you sure they
didn't here or wouldn't if they had to deal with others?
#Post#: 30186--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: July 17, 2024, 8:36 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> I suggest you talk to your cousin. If this car park
accommodates drivers other than simply Morrisons, whose opening
hours are exactly the same as those on the board, then ask them
how. If it doesn't, then it's not intended for visitors, it's
for customers.
>
--- End Quote ---
In retrospect it may just be for customers, my cousin only moved
there in 2024 so he maynot even know himself. He assumed it was
free.
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Also, if you have the time I suggest that you read this(skip
the debate about penalties and the second case and just read
Beavis) and then think whether CRA provides a defence. Their
Lordships didn't think so. Para. 107 has clear parallels with
your situation and the test of 'fairness' was met because there
must clearly be requirement for PE (coincidentally the same
company as in your case) to ensure that drivers do not overstay
the 2-hour limit because it seems it's a shoppers' car park.
>
>
HTML http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/uk/cases/UKSC/2015/67.html&query=(Beavis)
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for sharing, so the courts did rule in favor of
ParkingEye, though in this case there is no mention of "Tariffs
apply outside these hours" which clearly caused me all the
confusion. I can only wonder if that would make any difference.
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> And something you've not mentioned is your lease company. It's
pretty standard practice for these to charge hirers a fee for
their handling costs i.e. challenging PCNs, are you sure they
didn't here or wouldn't if they had to deal with others?
>
--- End Quote ---
They have told, they are happy to forward notices such as this
for free as much as I understand. This is what they stated at
the start of the lease (any admin fee etc would only be charged
if they have to do more work than forwarding letters and sharing
information.)
If you do get any fines or tickets, these will come through to
us first as we are the registered owners of the car. We
typically transfer the fines to drivers, who will then have the
option to pay or appeal the fine if needs be. If we aren't able
to transfer the fine, we may have to pay it on your behalf, and
will be in touch if this is the case.
#Post#: 30199--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 17, 2024, 10:13 am
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Thanks.
I suggest you read your agreement again because your quoted
conditions are pretty standard but not the ones which deal with
additional charges.
...and
In retrospect it may just be for customers, my cousin only moved
there in 2024 so he maynot even know himself. He assumed it was
free.
Sounds a little warning bell...does your cousin have a car and
if so do they use this car park and did they remember to change
their V5C address with DVLA when they moved? I'd hate to think
that they have a pile of unanswered PCNs etc. on a mat where
they lived!
#Post#: 30201--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: July 17, 2024, 10:38 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Thanks.
>
> I suggest you read your agreement again because your quoted
conditions are pretty standard but not the ones which deal with
additional charges.
>
> ...and
>
> In retrospect it may just be for customers, my cousin only
moved there in 2024 so he maynot even know himself. He assumed
it was free.
>
> Sounds a little warning bell...does your cousin have a car and
if so do they use this car park and did they remember to change
their V5C address with DVLA when they moved? I'd hate to think
that they have a pile of unanswered PCNs etc. on a mat where
they lived!
>
--- End Quote ---
I have asked them to share the exact letter again but I don't
think it's very complicated. Checkout their helppage, says the
same thing:
HTML https://octopusev.com/help/fines-and-parking-charge-notices
My Cousin doens't have a car, I think doesn't even have a
license, so he is safe, his assumption was based on never seeing
anyone pay.
#Post#: 127717--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 13, 2026, 7:40 am
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I have received a "letter of claim" from DCB legal for this PCN.
Alleged offence happened on 16/03/2024.
Is there a standard response to letter of claims ? Driver
identity has been revealed sadly. Many thanks
#Post#: 127720--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: jfollows
Date: August 13, 2026, 7:47 am
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Per
HTML https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/pd_pre-action_conduct#6.1
--- Quote ---
> the defendant responding within a reasonable time – 14 days in
a straight forward case and no more than 3 months in a very
complex one. The reply should include confirmation as to whether
the claim is accepted and, if it is not accepted, the reasons
why, together with an explanation as to which facts and parts of
the claim are disputed
--- End Quote ---
The detail don’t matter. They are just for the record and will
be ignored mainly anyway. Concentrate your efforts on what your
defence to a county court claim will be, which will follow.
There are lots of examples of Parking Eye/DCB Legal cases for
you to learn from if you search the forum.
If you want assistance with your defence, please post the
relevant documents because they are no longer visible on this
thread. Imgur no longer works in the UK (without a VPN).
#Post#: 127741--------------------------------------------------
Re: ParkingEye issued 2 PCNs, £60 paid, POPLA appeal rejected on
another
DIR By: tincombe
Date: August 13, 2026, 1:03 pm
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Can I just check a couple of things with you.
PE sent a Notice to Keeper (you call it a PCN) to Octopus, the
registered keeper.
They sent this to you and you identified the driver in your
correspondence with PE, effectively correspondence on behalf of
Octopus.
PE are pursuing you as the driver?
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