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#Post#: 29644--------------------------------------------------
NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich Millennium
Village, SE100X
DIR By: Velina
Date: July 12, 2024, 9:20 am
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! I received Parking Charge Notice to registered keeper from NPC
group limited, posted on 02.07.24. I'm attaching a picture of
it.
The ground is that All vehicles must hold a valid NPC e-permit.
Apparently the driver didn't get one.
The driver parked the car there as he did Amazon deliveries. For
this the driver always leaves a notice on the dashboard saying
Amazon delivery. And this is slightly seen even from their
pictures. The driver has been on this location before and never
received a ticket. The driver also stayed there for very short
time. The driver can proof he was there for delivery purposes as
well. The driver also didn't get a ticket at the location.
There is no barrier on this location, neither machines to get a
ticket or permit. There is no information at all where the
drivers can get a permit neither.
The location in the letter doesn't show the exact location. This
is one of those new neighbourhoods in London and even if you
write the post code in Google Maps, it won't shows you exact
street. Also checking the signs in Google maps is not reliable
in this case because the signs in Google maps are old. The
driver went to the location again and took a photo of the signs,
as photo of them wasn't provided in the Parking Charge Notice.
As this is part of the delivery job, and the time spent at any
location is usually very short, I think there is no need to get
permit as he is going to loose more time looking fof how he can
get one and then applying for it, rather just drop the parcel
and leave, however this is my opinion. Usually on those types of
locations there is 20 minutes free period exactly for those type
of jobs. Or visitor bays, or huge clear messages where you can
get a permit from. Where should the driver can park when there
is clear signs no parking on the yellow lines, according to the
driver.
As a registered keeper I received Parking Charge Notice which I
appealed, and my appeal was rejected.
I will write down the grounds in my appeal (I copied them before
I sent the appeal as I don't have access to them after that).
"The Notice of the Keeper is invalid for the following reasons:
There is no information in the letter saying it is issued under
PoFA 2012.
There is no information for how long the vehicle was parked.
There is no information if the pictures are collected by CCTV or
parking attendant.
The location is not accurate as it doesn't include the exact
name and number of the street. Only the name and the post code
of the neighbourhood, which is quite big.
No proper observation can be done in 53 seconds (according to
the letter).
In addition to this:
No pictures of the front of the car has been taken where it was
displayed notice for Amazon delivery.
No picture of the exact current parking terms is provided in
evidences as well.
You breach the GDPR by including the other vehicle registration
number in one of the evidence pictures of my case." At the end I
asked ticket to be cancelled.
I will upload a pdf file of the rejection.
Screenshot of the location according to Google maps when I write
the post code provided in the letter
Now I only can appeal to IAS but I'm not sure I can do it well.
#Post#: 29645--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: Velina
Date: July 12, 2024, 9:24 am
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HTML https://i.imgur.com/DDw2bjG.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/2wbzKfB.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3poGhHU.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/SPdtR9g.png
#Post#: 29649--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: b789
Date: July 12, 2024, 10:04 am
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You are dealing with a firm of ex-clamper thugs who are members
of the ICP. No matter what you put in your appeal would have
been rejected. Nothing new there.
Personally, I don't advocate appealing to the IAS as it is a
kangaroo court and you have almost zero chance of winning an
appeal there either. Others may disagree.
You are now in a state of limbo. Should NPC try and take this
all the way to court, you have a very good defence in Jopson v
Homeguard [2016]
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ayt0unruylk8yc96qs1ku/JOPSON-V-HOMEGUARD-2906J-Approved.pdf?rlkey=s3bbv5ajumsw6m54zoj16sbom&st=19uvitax&dl=0<br
/>which is a persuasive appeal case where the judge defined that
stopping for a short period to load or unload is not parking.
The images show that they were taken by an operative, not ANPR.
The sign appears to be hidden behind a tee or a bush. There are
flaws in the NtK that breach the new joint Code of Practice
(CoP) that can be used against them too.
If you feel that you want to waste your time on an IAS appeal,
you should use the new joint CoP
HTML https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1260624.pdf<br
/>to see where they have breached their own rules, especially
the
21 day restriction on appealing to the IAS.
Once that is rejected, you will receive a load of debt collector
letters which you can safely ignore. They are powerless to do
anything, no matter what they say. We don't need to see them.
At some point, they may/will issue a letter of claim and then a
claim itself. That is good because then you can have a truly
independent arbiter, a judge, decide whether the keeper owes NPC
a debt or not.
#Post#: 29669--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: Velina
Date: July 12, 2024, 11:55 am
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Thank you for your response.
The driver is not very happy to pay even the reduced penalty as
this will mean that he worked for free that day.(Amazon slots
are not very well paid.)
When I read their rejection, I thought the same that IAS is with
them rather neutral and appeal would be most likely rejected
again. That's why I decided to ask for help.
Signs are quite clear presented but not very clear as
information. The driver also can show screenshot of his phone
that he was there to do a job not to park for long time. Also
the purpose it the paper on the dashboard saying Amazon Delivery
is exactly to notify people (parking attendants, residents,
ect.) that this vehicle is left there for very short time. In
this case the operative even didn't go next to the car, if it
was operative. I put it in my grounds but there was no comment
on this either. Basically their rejection letter repeats the
Parking Charge Notice, no real response.
I don't mind not to appeal with IAS, or to ignore the following
debt collectors letters, as soon as in case of things taken to
the court, this ignorance would not be against me.
#Post#: 29670--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: Velina
Date: July 12, 2024, 12:03 pm
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Here is some more pictures from their website.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Oqk33Z8.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/8CWZxU4.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/vcYULYB.jpeg
#Post#: 53505--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: Sean007
Date: January 15, 2025, 12:20 pm
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Am in the same boat as you Velina i got same ticket at same
place and also doing amazon delivery and am ready to go to court
now really amd ready to give what ever it takes what did you do
in the end with regards to the ticket?
#Post#: 53508--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 15, 2025, 12:37 pm
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They're fairly likely to still be waiting In limbo to see if the
parking company litigate.
For advice on your case please start a separate thread.
#Post#: 63250--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: Velina
Date: March 19, 2025, 10:39 am
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Well I appeal, following the procedure. The appeal was rejected.
So I just give up hoping that nothing else will happen,but today
I received a letter that they sent me to the court. I don't know
what to do, so I'm seeking for advice. I know I am right, but I
can't represent my self to the court.
Anything new about your case?
#Post#: 63252--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: March 19, 2025, 10:40 am
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--- Quote from: Velina link ---
>
> today I received a letter that they sent me to the court.
>
--- End Quote ---
Please show us this letter.
#Post#: 63253--------------------------------------------------
Re: NPC Parking Charge Notice- No NPC e-permit, Greenwich
Millennium Village, SE100X
DIR By: b789
Date: March 19, 2025, 10:46 am
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What makes you think that you can't represent yourself in court?
Have you received an N1SDT Clim Form from the CNBC?
The odds of you actually having go to court and provide your
evidence that you are "right" is almost zero. However, until we
can see the actual letter you are talking about, it is
impossible to assist.
If it is a Claim Form that you received, make sure that you only
redact your personal info, the claim number and the MCOL
password. Make sure that you leave ALL dates and times visible.
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