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#Post#: 29640--------------------------------------------------
Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: flash2005
Date: July 12, 2024, 8:55 am
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The driver made a mistake and didn't notice the double yellow
lines in a hurry, so a bit stupid to stop here for loading
purposes. However in their defence - the driver goes to this
location few times every month, and there is a single white line
on this road, however the council recently put double yellow
lines (against the wishes of the residents), and since the
driver was in a hurry and very familiar with the road, didn't
notice the sudden change. Also upon noticing the officer
issuing the ticket, the driver immediately moved the car within
the first 10 minutes, however the CEO gave the ticket within 9
minutes. Car was parked at 11:51, and moved at 12:01. CEO
issued the ticket at 12:00. Evidence from the car logs with GPS
location below. Also there doesn't seem to be any way to view
the PCN evidence as the online portal is asking a web-code which
is not on the ticket. Are there any grounds to contest this ? -
not allowing grace period or any mistakes in the PCN ?
PCN Front
HTML https://i.imgur.com/bnXCoBT.jpeg
PCN Back
HTML https://i.imgur.com/7zPXo8f.jpeg
Evidence of moving the car at 12:01 from the internal car logs
HTML https://i.imgur.com/QtkYMRx.png
Car Front
HTML https://i.imgur.com/KANkhJ2.jpeg
Car Back
HTML https://i.imgur.com/oXebouq.jpeg
Road
HTML https://i.imgur.com/lF7YTGs.jpeg
Google Street View
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/oDNNJshs9xsMaEMa8
#Post#: 29667--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: michael
Date: July 12, 2024, 11:46 am
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--- Quote from: flash2005 link ---
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> The driver made a mistake and didn't notice the double yellow
lines in a hurry, so a bit stupid to stop here for loading
purposes.
>
--- End Quote ---
What were you loading and from where?
#Post#: 29724--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: flash2005
Date: July 13, 2024, 2:43 am
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--- Quote from: michael link ---
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> [quote author=flash2005 link=topic=2501.msg29640#msg29640
date=1720792522]
> The driver made a mistake and didn't notice the double yellow
lines in a hurry, so a bit stupid to stop here for loading
purposes.
>
--- End Quote ---
What were you loading and from where?
[/quote]
I was picking up a food packet from the church opposite.
#Post#: 29726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 13, 2024, 2:55 am
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--- Quote from: flash2005 link ---
>
> [quote author=michael link=topic=2501.msg29667#msg29667
date=1720802791]
> [quote author=flash2005 link=topic=2501.msg29640#msg29640
date=1720792522]
> The driver made a mistake and didn't notice the double yellow
lines in a hurry, so a bit stupid to stop here for loading
purposes.
>
--- End Quote ---
What were you loading and from where?
[/quote]
I was picking up a food packet from the church opposite.
[/quote]
Loading is an exemption to yellow lines, but you have to justify
the loading on the lines. So tell us more about the goods, like
weight and bulk.
#Post#: 29727--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: flash2005
Date: July 13, 2024, 3:19 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=flash2005 link=topic=2501.msg29724#msg29724
date=1720856633]
> [quote author=michael link=topic=2501.msg29667#msg29667
date=1720802791]
> [quote author=flash2005 link=topic=2501.msg29640#msg29640
date=1720792522]
> The driver made a mistake and didn't notice the double yellow
lines in a hurry, so a bit stupid to stop here for loading
purposes.
>
--- End Quote ---
What were you loading and from where?
[/quote]
I was picking up a food packet from the church opposite.
[/quote]
Loading is an exemption to yellow lines, but you have to justify
the loading on the lines. So tell us more about the goods, like
weight and bulk.
[/quote]
It was a personal pickup. Picking up a food box from the church
opposite the road - 5 KGs approx. 20cm x 15cmx 30cm size. The
whole side street and the car park was fully blocked up with
cars so there was no other space to stop
#Post#: 29738--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 13, 2024, 5:26 am
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OK, so you should now submit an informal challenge to the PCN. I
would suggest on the following lines: -
Dear Sirs
Re PCN <PCN Number> dated <dd/mm/yyyy served at <hr.mn> at
Lambourne Road
I deny responsibility for payment of the about PCN penalty on
the grounds that the contravention did not occur as I was
engaged in loading.
On the day concerned I arranged to pick up a 5kg package of food
from <address of church>, but found all nearby parking full, so
was forced to park on the double-yellow lines nearby. I then
walked to the church, collected the food package and returned to
the car when the served PCN was seen. AS loading is an exemption
to yellow lines restrictions, I request that the PCN be
cancelled forthwith.
Yours faithfully
#Post#: 29852--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: flash2005
Date: July 14, 2024, 3:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> OK, so you should now submit an informal challenge to the PCN.
I would suggest on the following lines: -
>
> Dear Sirs
>
> Re PCN <PCN Number> dated <dd/mm/yyyy served at <hr.mn> at
Lambourne Road
>
> I deny responsibility for payment of the about PCN penalty on
the grounds that the contravention did not occur as I was
engaged in loading.
>
> On the day concerned I arranged to pick up a 5kg package of
food from <address of church>, but found all nearby parking
full, so was forced to park on the double-yellow lines nearby. I
then walked to the church, collected the food package and
returned to the car when the served PCN was seen. AS loading is
an exemption to yellow lines restrictions, I request that the
PCN be cancelled forthwith.
>
> Yours faithfully
>
--- End Quote ---
Many thanks. What about the other points (e.g. grace period),
also any evidence needs to be uploaded to support this ?
#Post#: 29855--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 14, 2024, 3:45 pm
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There is no grace period for parking on yellow lines, only in
designated parking locations.
#Post#: 29877--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: flash2005
Date: July 15, 2024, 3:12 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> There is no grace period for parking on yellow lines, only in
designated parking locations.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wasn't able to file the informal challenge, because when I
input the correct registration the PCN doesn't show. So I just
realised that the CEO has made a typo in registration number of
the car and one of the numbers is actually incorrect !! Does
this mean I don't need to file the challenge as the PCN is
invalid ?
#Post#: 29878--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chigwell, Lambourne Road PCN - Parked in Restricted Street
DIR By: flash2005
Date: July 15, 2024, 3:17 am
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Screenshot when the correct registration is entered. I can only
find the details with the incorrect registration number
HTML https://i.imgur.com/By1B9CU.png
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