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#Post#: 28723--------------------------------------------------
PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: Charsiu
Date: July 5, 2024, 8:04 am
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Hi All,
Family member came to visit from the North couple weeks back,
arrived Friday evening and left Sunday evening (Saturday she
didn't use her car).
She received a PCN on Wednesday for not having paid for the ULEZ
charge for the Friday, she paid the (£90?) fine as it was
essentially down to our ignorance. She received another PCN
today for the Sunday she left, and was wondering if there is any
grounds to appeal on the basis its her first offence and not
from London? Appreciate it's bit of an ignorant stretch, but
still worth an ask.
For context, I live within the M25 and all of our cars in the
immediate family are all ULEZ compliant, so it was never
something we paid any real attention to - now we're paying with
our wallets!
Photos of PCN here:
ULEZ PCN
HTML https://1drv.ms/f/s!As_e_pwBk-z-3GWH08pPfEmvV4zo?e=dfKoSu
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MTdyg9H.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pZ1kKlQ.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/POU0haY.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/w4nhq62.jpg
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 28731--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 5, 2024, 9:10 am
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See TfL's website and the Charging Order:
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/penalty-charges-for-ulez
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/consolidated-lez-scheme-order-londonwide-ulez-variations-29-august-2023.pdf<br
/> (reg 7(1)
Both state that a penalty is payable for each
day(midnight-midnight) that the car is used on a ULEZ road.
Wait for others.
#Post#: 28742--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: July 5, 2024, 10:21 am
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You've redacted the vehicle reg. Please reinstate it as per the
HTML instructions in the [url=http://"READ THIS FIRST -" sticky post
at the top of the forum.]"READ THIS FIRST -"[/url] sticky post
at the top of the forum. It's only necessary to redact your own
name & address, where present. Please leave everything else
visible, especially the PCN number, the vehicle reg, all times
and dates and locations and all Enforcement Authority info.
#Post#: 28757--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 5, 2024, 12:31 pm
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--- Quote ---
> was wondering if there is any grounds to appeal on the basis
its her first offence and not from London? Appreciate it's bit
of an ignorant stretch, but still worth an ask.
--- End Quote ---
It's always worth an ask, but don't be surprised if they refuse
it. I would submit reps on the basis of being a total stranger
to London, living in <oop north somewhere>. Explain the
circumstances first. A ULEZ PCN was received and paid, (give
number and date), then a second PCN arrived. State plainly,
but without getting confrontational, that you consider this to
be an excessive punishment for not being aware of the ULEZ. also
say that clearly you are now aware of the ULEZ conditions so the
offence will not occur again.
#Post#: 28854--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 6, 2024, 12:14 pm
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Post a draft representation on here before sending it to TFL. As
a general rule if TFL reoffers the discount and TFL is notified
of a tribunal appeal while the discount is still available, TFL
will accept the 50% discounted amount even if you lose at the
tribunal, so arguably there's no risk in taking this all the
way.
It is however imperative to make representations within 14 days,
and file the tribunal appeal immediately upon receipt of the
notice of rejection.
#Post#: 29059--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: Charsiu
Date: July 8, 2024, 4:38 am
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Thanks all for the input, here is my draft representation:
I am writing to formally appeal against my second ULEZ charge
levied against my vehicle on the 23rd June 2024. The Penalty
Charge Notice reference number is XJ31678760.
On the evening of Friday 21st of June I drove down to visit my
sister, niece and nephew for the first time in many years.
Although I trust there was signage on the boundaries I must have
overlooked these at the end of the 4 and a half hour drive, and
due to my lack of knowledge of ULEZ and its boundaries, I did
not realize that my vehicle was subject to any charge.
Upon receiving the PCN for the Friday 21st June entry, I
educated myself on the ULEZ regulations and then paid promptly
as it was ultimately my fault (Payment Reference: E112465931 -
unfortunately I have since disposed of the first PCN and do not
have another reference number).
I understand the importance of adhering to environmental
regulations, and I assure you that this was an unintentional
oversight. As this is my first offence, I kindly request
leniency and the cancellation of the second ULEZ charge on this
occasion.
I sincerely hope that you will consider my appeal favorably and
grant a waiver for this first-time, unintentional offence.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration. I look
forward to your positive response.
Yours faithfully,
Best case would be the waiver of this fine, worst would be £180?
#Post#: 29086--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 8, 2024, 7:00 am
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Reps look OK to me. They will probably reject them and offer
the discount, so you'd be in for £90, but you might get lucky.
#Post#: 29138--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: roythebus
Date: July 8, 2024, 1:31 pm
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You might wish to add where you drove from and where to in
London. You didn't see any signs informing you of how or where
or how much to pay.
#Post#: 29146--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: Charsiu
Date: July 8, 2024, 2:13 pm
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--- Quote from: roythebus link ---
>
> You might wish to add where you drove from and where to in
London. You didn't see any signs informing you of how or where
or how much to pay.
>
--- End Quote ---
Google Street View is not up to date so I'm not sure how much
signage/information they would have encountered on arrival, so
didn't want to embellish too much/at all. Will add where they
departed from (Liverpool).
#Post#: 29153--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for ULEZ - Family Visit - Romford/Essex.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 8, 2024, 2:53 pm
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I think that having 2 PCNs for the same set of facts is rather
lost in the reps.
I drove into London;
I wasn't aware;
I didn't see;
On *** I received a PCN for *** (date) which I promptly paid;
On *** I then received this PCN effectively for driving out of
contravention.
I now understand that the restriction applies per day, but would
suggest that the levying of two penalties based upon the same
error is a little disproportionate and would therefore ask the
authority to exercise discretion on this occasion..
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