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#Post#: 28444--------------------------------------------------
G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: S.M
Date: July 3, 2024, 6:39 am
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On 6th June - The driver went to the shopping centre was unaware
that there was a charge for parking. Parked up for 25 mins to
purchase some food from a vendor.
I the registered keeper received a PCN through the post on 28th
June 2024
I have asked the food vendor to send some pictures of the
parking notices and will attach here once received. any thoughts
on this please?
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#Post#: 28448--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: July 3, 2024, 6:59 am
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That tariffs apply seems to be made pretty clear by the signs,
all that is required is that the signs are 'there to be seen'
and create a contract it's then up to the driver to look and
read.
It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the
keeper liable.
G24 will not accept any appeal. Nor will e allegedly (but not)
Independent appeals service, so even with a string defence you
would be left to see if they wanted to chance their arm in court
or not.
#Post#: 28451--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: S.M
Date: July 3, 2024, 7:09 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> That tariffs apply seems to be made pretty clear by the signs,
all that is required is that the signs are 'there to be seen'
and create a contract it's then up to the driver to look and
read.
>
> It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the
keeper liable.
>
> G24 will not accept any appeal. Nor will e allegedly (but not)
Independent appeals service, so even with a string defence you
would be left to see if they wanted to chance their arm in court
or not.
>
--- End Quote ---
Do we have any previous cases with G24 that can be used to
ascertain if they will go to court or not? - Please note this is
my first PCN from them
#Post#: 28453--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 3, 2024, 7:29 am
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--- Quote ---
> It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the
keeper liable.
--- End Quote ---
It doesn't to me, look at the dates.
They have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4
of the Protection of Freedoms Act in order to hold you liable as
the keeper (there's a link to the relevant legislation in my
signature - amongst other things they have failed to issue the
notice such that it is delivered within the relevant period of
14 days).
They are unlikely to accept your appeal, but you should
nevertheless appeal to show you know your stuff. Something along
the following lines
[indent] Dear Sirs,
I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for
vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the
driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your
correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the
registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of
Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"). You have chosen not to issue a
Notice to Keeper in accordance with The Act, and it is now too
late for you to do so.
There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not
be doing so.
I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and
look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been
cancelled.
Yours,[/indent]
You are appealing as the keeper, beware of any tick boxes etc.
that try to trick you into identifying the driver.
#Post#: 28473--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: S.M
Date: July 3, 2024, 10:46 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> [quote]It looks to me that they have met the requirements to
hold the keeper liable.
--- End Quote ---
It doesn't to me, look at the dates.
They have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4
of the Protection of Freedoms Act in order to hold you liable as
the keeper (there's a link to the relevant legislation in my
signature - amongst other things they have failed to issue the
notice such that it is delivered within the relevant period of
14 days).
They are unlikely to accept your appeal, but you should
nevertheless appeal to show you know your stuff. Something along
the following lines
[indent] Dear Sirs,
I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for
vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the
driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your
correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the
registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of
Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"). You have chosen not to issue a
Notice to Keeper in accordance with The Act, and it is now too
late for you to do so.
There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not
be doing so.
I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and
look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been
cancelled.
Yours,[/indent]
You are appealing as the keeper, beware of any tick boxes etc.
that try to trick you into identifying the driver.
[/quote]
Thanks I have appealed and you are right about the tickbox - it
defaults to the driver of the vehicle. They don`t even send an
acknowledgment email but I have taken a screenshot of it. Let`s
see what they come back with.
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#Post#: 28477--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: b789
Date: July 3, 2024, 11:05 am
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Please tell us you didn't select anything that identifies you,
the keeper, as the driver.
Only the unknown (hopefully) driver is liable. The NtK is not
fully compliant with the requirements of PoFA in that it was not
deemed "given" within 14 days of the parking event. The parking
event was on 6th June and the NtK issued on the 26th June,
therefore deemed to have been "given" on the 28th June, well
past any 14 day period.
As long as the known keeper down not blab the unknown drivers
identity, inadvertently or otherwise, they have nowhere to go
with this.
Please confirm that you used the wording provided by
[member=103]DWMB2[/member] without embellishment and that you
did not tick any box that suggests the appellant was the driver.
#Post#: 28480--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: S.M
Date: July 3, 2024, 11:31 am
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> Please tell us you didn't select anything that identifies you,
the keeper, as the driver.
>
> Only the unknown (hopefully) driver is liable. The NtK is not
fully compliant with the requirements of PoFA in that it was not
deemed "given" within 14 days of the parking event. The parking
event was on 6th June and the NtK issued on the 26th June,
therefore deemed to have been "given" on the 28th June, well
past any 14 day period.
>
> As long as the known keeper down not blab the unknown drivers
identity, inadvertently or otherwise, they have nowhere to go
with this.
>
> Please confirm that you used the wording provided by
[member=103]DWMB2[/member] without embellishment and that you
did not tick any box that suggests the appellant was the driver.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can confirm I copied and pasted the wording from
[member=103]DWMB2[/member] and selected the Registered keeper
when submitting the appeal
#Post#: 28767--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: S.M
Date: July 5, 2024, 3:05 pm
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RE: Contractual Parking Charge Notice 162424060647
Regarding the above Contractual Parking Charge Notice, we would
like to confirm that this has been waived.
No further action is required by you.
Appeals Team
G24 Ltd
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They have cancelled the PCN - Thank you all -
#Post#: 28768--------------------------------------------------
Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre -
London
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 5, 2024, 3:08 pm
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Good result! Thanks for the update.
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