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NIP - 25mph in a 20 - Location A3 Kennington Park Road nr
Cleaver Sq N/B SE11 (9229)
DIR By: fairparking
Date: July 2, 2024, 4:57 am
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Hi All,
New to the forum.
I have been sent a NIP for driving my van at 25 in a 20 MPH, I
have some questions regards a potential challenge, apologies if
a bit basic!
Also I have been offered a speed awareness course + the cost.
1) The "Speeding “10% plus 2 miles", means the guideline upper
limit is 24 mph...is it worth challenging on the basis it may
have been rounded up to 25? (more on this coming)
2) As you can see from the photos, another delivery vehile was
in the bus lane and obstructing the view for the camera in
question.
a) Would this have effected the accuracy of the camera measure?
as you can see its obstructing the lines on the road from the
camera photos, which I assume it uses?
b) A car behind was speeding at points and tail gatting the van
(causing me to speed up at points), is it worth writing in about
this once I have the next letter?
Yes I have been offered a speed awareness course + cost...but my
point is do any of these circumstances above (or anything ive
missed) likely to gain a successful challenge?
p.s. I have filled out the form and returned it stating who the
driver was.
many thanks
FP
**Cant seem to post attachments via forum, getting error
messages**
I have uploaded 'evidence' photos and paperwork here:
HTML https://imgur.com/9Le9cSI
HTML https://imgur.com/lSMdm2w
HTML https://imgur.com/OkgktL8
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Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location A3 Kennington Park Road nr
Cleaver Sq N/B SE11 (9229)
DIR By: 666
Date: July 2, 2024, 5:12 am
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--- Quote from: fairparking link ---
>
> Hi All,
>
> New to the forum.
>
> I have been sent a NIP for driving my van at 25 in a 20 MPH, I
have some questions regards a potential challenge, apologies if
a bit basic!
>
> Also I have been offered a speed awareness course + the cost.
>
> 1) The "Speeding “10% plus 2 miles", means the guideline upper
limit is 24 mph...is it worth challenging on the basis it may
have been rounded up to 25? (more on this coming)
>
> 2) As you can see from the photos, another delivery vehile was
in the bus lane and obstructing the view for the camera in
question.
>
> a) Would this have effected the accuracy of the camera
measure? as you can see its obstructing the lines on the road
from the camera photos, which I assume it uses?
>
> b) A car behind was speeding at points and tail gatting the
van (causing me to speed up at points), is it worth writing in
about this once I have the next letter?
>
> Yes I have been offered a speed awareness course + cost...but
my point is do any of these circumstances above (or anything ive
missed) likely to gain a successful challenge?
>
> p.s. I have filled out the form and returned it stating who
the driver was.
>
> many thanks
>
> FP
>
> **Cant seem to post attachments via forum, getting following
message**
>
> 'An Error Has Occurred!
> The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or
contact an administrator.'
>
> [img]
HTML http://imgur.com/a/l4nsmBc[/img]
>
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1. 10% plus 2 is the starting point for action, not a "leeway",
so even if you'd been recorded at 24 it would not help. Plus
AFAIK the recorded speeds are rounded down to the nearest
integer, not up.
2. No photos attached. You need to upload them to a 3rd party
site (e.g. imgur.com) and then post a link
2(a) The camera uses laser or radar to measure speed: the lines
are a secondary check
2(b) If your being tailgated, the correct action is to slow
down, not speed up.
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Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location A3 Kennington Park Road nr
Cleaver Sq N/B SE11 (9229)
DIR By: fairparking
Date: July 2, 2024, 5:17 am
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Thanks pictures now up.
When you say 'correct action' I do understand, however when you
driving a brand new van, you tend to not want to be rear ended
and that is human nature - thanks
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Re: NIP - 25mph in a 20 - Location A3 Kennington Park Road nr
Cleaver Sq N/B SE11 (9229)
DIR By: BertB
Date: July 2, 2024, 7:23 am
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From the pictures, this tail gating car appears to be at least
two vehicle lengths back or more. I think if you were to
challenge it on this basis, I would want to see evidence
slightly better than a van with empty road behind it. However as
has been mentioned, correct advice is to slow down not speed up.
Speeds are rounded down, not up (can you imagine the outcry if
prosecution was enabled by rounding up speed?) However, speeding
is exceeding the limit which at 24 you are doing. It has
happened now, no mileage there other than to admit to speeding.
Lines are secondary check only, speed is measured by the device.
However it does look as though you could perform a secondary
check from those pictures.
Personally, I think you are wasting your time. You could check
the traffic order is correct and that the 20mph limit is
adequately conveyed. However since London went 20mph some time
ago, I would expect everything to be water tight now. But
nothing you have mentioned so far is a defence to the charge.
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