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#Post#: 55290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:09 am
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So they acted unlawfully by sending out an Order for Recovery
but had not actually registered the debt at TEC that permitted
them to do so. Time for a complaint here to the head of the
council. Havering their usual venal and rapacious selves as
usual.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:50 am
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When it gets sorted, let me know. Meanwhile, stick in a formal
complaint and ask them to cancel the PCN because of their
conduct. Ray Morgon is the leader of the council.
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: Haveringresident
Date: January 27, 2025, 6:09 am
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It's a joke. As well as sending the unregistered Order of
Recovery they admit that my hand delivered appeal was lost in
transit!
Will be sending a complaint to Ray Morgon
#Post#: 55319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 27, 2025, 6:50 am
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CouncillorRay.Morgon@havering.gov.uk
Jo Green | Parking Manager
London Borough of Havering | Highways, Traffic & Parking
Town Hall, Main Road, Romford RM1 3BB
t 01708 432 913
e jo.green@havering.gov.uk
w www.havering.gov.uk
text relay 18001 01708 432 913
#Post#: 55336--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: January 27, 2025, 7:54 am
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So you received the OfR on 18th Jan but have since discovered
that this had been sent in error by the council because they had
not in fact registered the debt with TEC. Is this correct?
How did you find out e.g. were you informed by TEC? (once you've
received an OfR further contact with the council is not required
procedurally neither is it recommended).
A cautionary word...
It appears that the council deny receiving your
representations(you used the term 'lost in transit' but is this
just your take on matters or have the council accepted that you
delivered representations which were then mislaid by them?). I
thought that in an earlier post reference was made to the
council's PCN progress system which included the entry NOR
issued?
As I posted previously, the process does not revert to a new PCN
but instead the authority must refer the matter to the
adjudicator who, because of the particular SD grounds you've
chosen(did not receive a NOR) will in all likelihood not
automatically register the issue as an appeal but instead give
directions to you and the authority to discover the whys and
wherefores of your reps.
So, in parallel with submitting the SD, I suggest you see what
evidence you have regarding submitting reps.
Edit - no notices in this process are sent by registered mail.
#Post#: 55338--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: Haveringresident
Date: January 27, 2025, 8:07 am
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I phoned the TEC Office to find out if they were open at weekend
if I sent in the OfR by signed and tracked.
When they checked the reference I was then told it had not been
registered and not to send it in and to contact the council.
I was ready to send it so it had already been signed at the
solicitors office. This morning I received an email to say that
there was an error in processing a batch.
A previous email from the parking manager stated that
unfortunately my hand delivered letter had been lost in transit.
(I have video evidence of handing it over)
I'm not sure I understand the last part of your message
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering
school zone
DIR By: Haveringresident
Date: February 1, 2025, 11:30 am
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UPDATE 1 FEB 2025
I sent in an email complaint to Havering Council on 30 January
regarding Traffic & Parking Control department, outlining the
representation lost by them and the Order for Recovery sent to
me which was not registered.
A reply was received the same day which said:
“A copy of your challenge sent to Miss Green on the
***10th January has been added to the case as a formal challenge
and will be reviewed tomorrow. A decision will be sent to you
by email and post.
The TEC fee and surcharges have been removed and there is no
need for a further Statutory Declaration to be made to the
Traffic Enforcement Centre.
Please accept my apologies for the Order for Recovery being
issued before being registered.”
*** this was an email where I enlisted the help of a local
councilllor to obtain info on when I should receive
communication on the Order for Recovery, given that it was
almsot six months since the PCN
Today, by post I received, a Notice of Rejection of Formal
Representations, attaching a Notice of Appeal which I had added
to my One Drive :
HTML https://1drv.ms/b/c/ff2efe087033259f/EV47H4w0IN1MoXAKQdczhf4BGoBg9bD4l0skGL3TNHInbA?e=S4zJsH
Now unsure what the next steps are as I appear to be starting
over again!!
I'm also away at the end of the week so anything which needs
dealing with in 14 days I don't have time
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 1, 2025, 2:38 pm
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Beautiful NOR=Total bolleaux plus wrong form attached! I am
more than happy to deal with this for you. Absolute ignorance.
I will PM you my details. We may be looking at costs too. I do
expect them to DNC once they wake up.
BTW, I have my own cunning plan to be realised very soon.
#Post#: 56177--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 1, 2025, 4:08 pm
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I am representing another member re a 2003 Act alleged
contravention. This person has not been offered the discount in
the NOR. Therefore, I am somewhat justly aggrieved - pi$$ed off
as the famous Bogsy from pepipoo would say.
The time is approaching when I want to go to The Strand with
some locus standi. This outfit is quite appalling.
#Post#: 56181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 1, 2025, 5:11 pm
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The law is that one can pay the discount at any time within the
discount period despite submitting a representation. So if
Havering are saying on their documents that if you submit reps
you are not entitled to the discount they are wrong in law, and
need to be dragged over the coals on this.
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