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20 mins no return
DIR By: Ru
Date: June 28, 2024, 2:36 pm
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Hi, would like to apologise if this was discussed previously.
Today (28/06/24) after a few phone calls was told that my car is
in the newham compound. The contravention code is 30. The sign
reads Mon - Sat 9 am - 5 pm Permit holders only 20 mins No
return within 1 hr, however i have a residential permit. I told
this to the compound worker and apparently it has to say “or 20
mins no return” he is telling me this because he has dealt with
this many times. Im confused after he told me as i was pretty
sure that this did not apply to me? I’ve attached a few pics, if
anyone can advise before i appeal would be greatly appreciated.
I had to pay £240 to release my car, will they refund me if i am
in the right?
Thank You
I can’t seem to upload the pictures?
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: June 28, 2024, 3:58 pm
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I have moved this as it seems to be a council ticket rather than
a private one.
To help us help you, take a look at the following thread and
provide all the information it asks for: READ THIS FIRST -
**BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL,
Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
This also advises on how to use Imgur to upload images.
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: lexy
Date: June 28, 2024, 6:59 pm
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You need to upload a picture of the sign and the PCN (both
sides). If you know when the car was towed, post that too.
If the sign said “or”, then permit holders would be allowed to
park for as long as they want. Everyone else could only park for
20 minutes.
If there’s no “or”, that means permit holders are allowed to
park for 20 minutes and everybody else isn’t allowed to park at
all.
The good news is there’s nothing more to pay for a towing case
so you might as well appeal all the way to the end.
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 30, 2024, 10:07 am
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--- Quote from: Ru link ---
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> I had to pay £240 to release my car, will they refund me if i
am in the right?
>
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[member=2124]Ru[/member] yes they will, but to get proper advice
you need to read the guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>and upload all the documents you were given at the car pound.
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: Ru
Date: July 1, 2024, 7:50 am
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HTML https://i.imgur.com/1SIZ65d.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/V0Y4YYJ.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/rfaEpe5.jpeg
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 1, 2024, 5:41 pm
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I've removed the duplicated content of your posts and embedded
the images properly, you don't need to quote your opening post
when you reply.
These are the council photos:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ez1X9hm.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MBQQOpg.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/D8TeViF.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/uBDCHgg.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/mtMBfmE.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/XLQaPUC.jpeg
So the location is here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/w3K4pJJMVtPg9CeH7
Unfortunately the sign says that you can only park if you have a
permit and you don't stay for more than 20 minutes, so it sounds
like you might have misunderstood the restriction.
I'll get hold of the traffic order for the bay, in the meantime
please post all sides of all pages of all the other documents
(just personal data such as name, address, card details etc) so
that we can look for procedural issues.
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: Neil B
Date: July 1, 2024, 9:46 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> I've removed the duplicated content of your posts and embedded
the images properly, you don't need to quote your opening post
when you reply.
>
> Unfortunately the sign says that you can only park if you have
a permit and you don't stay for more than 20 minutes, so it
sounds like you might have misunderstood the restriction.
>
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The sign means exactly as it says but I don't blame you for not
understanding it as that has been quite common.
The idea is that any holder of a Newham permit, for ANY zone,
can use these bays for 20 minutes; the idea being that it
facilitates visits across the borough I guess. But the locations
don't make a lot of sense, being mostly in residential areas and
nowhere near any shops or facilities.
Hopefully we'll find some other reason to challenge; perhaps it
being a lower level contravention and the lowest priority for
towing.
#Post#: 28273--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 2, 2024, 3:33 am
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The resident permit is only valid within the zone where you
live. Any vehicle parked in a residents parking zone without a
valid permit for that zone may receive a penalty charge notice.
HTML https://www.newham.gov.uk/parking-permits/resident-parking-permits-1/1
i have a residential permit.
As far as I can see, neither the Traffic Signs etc. regs nor the
TSM makes any provision for the sign used.
OP, do you have any paperwork from the council regarding the
do's and don'ts of residents' permits?
What paperwork were you given at the pound?
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: Ru
Date: July 2, 2024, 4:42 am
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Just at work right now I’ll upload the pound papers in a few.
On a side note i googled for this specific meaning and this was
the same understanding i had “
HTML https://consultation.eastsussex.gov.uk/economy-transport-environment/parkingrother2018/supporting_documents/Definitions.pdf”
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Re: 20 mins no return
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 2, 2024, 6:16 pm
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[member=2124]Ru[/member] but it's not the same:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/wIvqPk2.png
The Newham sign does not say "or", and that completely changes
the meaning. That's quite aside from the fact that the document
you found is from East Sussex and the PCN is from the London
Borough of Newham.
I can understand why it's confusing as this sort of sign is
unusual (I've not seen one outside Newham), but if you actually
read the words on the sign the intention is clear and
unambiguous.
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