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#Post#: 28184--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: July 1, 2024, 10:21 am
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--- Quote from: Sizzle89 link ---
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> But i feel the 25 on the 20mph is really harsh.
>
> Anything to look into that might allow me to have a defence
for this one?
>
--- End Quote ---
Unfortunately what you feel doesn't impact the law, you need to
get used to the 'new normal'.
Well signage and TRO as mentioned! You can ask for a copy of
the TRO from the relevant highway authority, probably TFL for
that one,. not sure.
#Post#: 28489--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: July 3, 2024, 11:56 am
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So looking at the supporting evidence they've provided for the
25mph on the 20. It was heavy rain that day, and i didnt notice
the speed markers or even the sign. To be honest the camera
barely picks up the reg and markings too. Do i have any grounds,
are there any steps i can take to appeal?
#Post#: 28506--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: July 3, 2024, 12:49 pm
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You have no option to appeal at this point, you can only appeal
a conviction or sentence after being convicted by a court.
You either accept the offer (course or fixed penalty) or take it
to court and plead not guilty (pleading guilty would be
pointless as you would have to pay a much higher fine and
costs). You would only want to take it to court if you have a
viable defence and nothing you have said suggests you have. No
seeing the markings or signs doesn't help.
#Post#: 28573--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: July 4, 2024, 2:10 am
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--- Quote from: Sizzle89 link ---
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> It was heavy rain that day, and i didnt notice the speed
markers or even the sign.
>
--- End Quote ---
Simply put, no. It also fails the 'common sense test' as it's a
bit 'silly' to suggest that if it's raining that heavily its OK
to exceed the speed limit compared to when its dry with shorter
stopping distances etc!
#Post#: 28744--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: July 5, 2024, 10:34 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
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> [quote author=Sizzle89 link=topic=2354.msg28489#msg28489
date=1720025777]
> It was heavy rain that day, and i didnt notice the speed
markers or even the sign.
>
--- End Quote ---
Simply put, no. It also fails the 'common sense test' as it's a
bit 'silly' to suggest that if it's raining that heavily its OK
to exceed the speed limit compared to when its dry with shorter
stopping distances etc!
[/quote]
Well no, the point being the signs or markings there were not
clear due to the heavy rain.
I now look out for that camera as i'm aware of it since the
ticket. Even just yesterday i saw someone get flashed, they must
have been doing 24 on that road based on my speed. It's right by
tower hill station i think it makes them a lot of money.
#Post#: 28745--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: July 5, 2024, 10:41 am
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Is there a time limit for when the authorities have to give you
the speeding ticket by? The date of the offence was 21/5 but the
later is dated 18/6.
#Post#: 28748--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: July 5, 2024, 11:06 am
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No.
They have 14 days to serve a NIP on the RK, unless one of the
statutory exceptions applies.
#Post#: 28750--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: morris-man
Date: July 5, 2024, 11:44 am
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--- Quote from: Sizzle89 link ---
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> Even just yesterday i saw someone get flashed, they must have
been doing 24 on that road based on my speed. It's right by
tower hill station i think it makes them a lot of money.
>
--- End Quote ---
24 is the guideline speed for the start of enforcement. The
cameras don't make money people speed does.
#Post#: 28758--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: July 5, 2024, 12:34 pm
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--- Quote from: morris-man link ---
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> [quote author=Sizzle89 link=topic=2354.msg28744#msg28744
date=1720193653]
> Even just yesterday i saw someone get flashed, they must have
been doing 24 on that road based on my speed. It's right by
tower hill station i think it makes them a lot of money.
>
--- End Quote ---
24 is the guideline speed for the start of enforcement. The
cameras don't make money people speed does.
[/quote]
People’s speed does? Of course speeding is an offence and
dangerous driving should not be tolerated. You see so much of it
nowadays.
But your comment implies that authorities are justified to give
out speeding tickets such as 25mph on a 20. This is certainly
not dangerous driving in many people’s eyes. This is exploiting
the public!
Based on your comment, if the authorities were to set the speed
limit of a road to 15mph where it’s actually safe to do 30, then
technically yes they are speeding, but is it actually dangerous
driving and should they really be fined for it? Of course not.
#Post#: 28763--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: July 5, 2024, 1:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Sizzle89 link ---
>
> [quote author=morris-man link=topic=2354.msg28750#msg28750
date=1720197864]
> [quote author=Sizzle89 link=topic=2354.msg28744#msg28744
date=1720193653]
> Even just yesterday i saw someone get flashed, they must have
been doing 24 on that road based on my speed. It's right by
tower hill station i think it makes them a lot of money.
>
--- End Quote ---
24 is the guideline speed for the start of enforcement. The
cameras don't make money people speed does.
[/quote]
People’s speed does? Of course speeding is an offence and
dangerous driving should not be tolerated. You see so much of it
nowadays.
But your comment implies that authorities are justified to give
out speeding tickets such as 25mph on a 20. This is certainly
not dangerous driving in many people’s eyes. This is exploiting
the public!
Based on your comment, if the authorities were to set the speed
limit of a road to 15mph where it’s actually safe to do 30, then
technically yes they are speeding, but is it actually dangerous
driving and should they really be fined for it? Of course not.
[/quote]
It’s the law. If you object to that, campaign to get it changed.
This is not the place to tilt at windmills.
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