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#Post#: 27732--------------------------------------------------
NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: June 27, 2024, 11:59 am
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NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location A1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st - Met Police
This road is by Tower of London heading east. It's usually
really busy. On the 21/05/2023 this offence was recorded. I got
a letter through the post this week dated 18/06/2024. Personally
I think it's extremely harsh as like I said you can barely do
10/15 mph on this road due to Central London traffic. That day
however must have been less busy and I didn't notice doing
25mph. Realistically the road is big and you would expect it to
be a 30.
I already have 3 points on my license from doing 55mph on a 50
by Lakeside Thurrock on the A13 back in Nov 2022. This was with
Essex Police though and i hear they're harsh as they don't have
much to do when it comes to speed traffic enforcement.
Any help in this current matter would be most appreciated as I
really don't want further points on my license. Please let me
know if I need to add any further information.
#Post#: 27734--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: June 27, 2024, 12:12 pm
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Do you still have the NIP for the 55 in a 50? It’s below the
enforcement threshold of 57. Were you not offered a course for
it?
#Post#: 27736--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Irksome
Date: June 27, 2024, 12:23 pm
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Have you done a course within the last 3 years, if not you
should be offered one?
#Post#: 27918--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: June 29, 2024, 9:35 am
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--- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
>
> Do you still have the NIP for the 55 in a 50? It’s below the
enforcement threshold of 57. Were you not offered a course for
it?
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not sure if i have the NIP but i dug through my photos and i
have a picture of it. Looking at the picture it was actually a
57 on a 50, not 55. So that's what got me the 3 points and the
fine. I had done a course in March 2021, so when i got this
ticket (Jan 2023) offence - from Nov 22, it was straight points.
#Post#: 27919--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: June 29, 2024, 9:42 am
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--- Quote from: Irksome link ---
>
> Have you done a course within the last 3 years, if not you
should be offered one?
>
--- End Quote ---
Hey, thanks for your response. The last time i did a course was
in March 2021. So that means i should get another course then as
its been over 3 years?
Also, there has been an update since i posted the original
message. Yesterday i got another speeding ticket through the
post - this was one i was expecting but hoping i didnt receive.
I did 88mph on a 70 at the M6 j3-j2 southbound - Warwickshire
Police. It was 11pm and i was talking to my cousin and didnt
realise the speed as the motorway was extremely quiet at this
point. Just to be clear, i'm not a regular speeder, i have just
found myself in an unlucky situation receiving two tickets in
the space of two weeks - when it rains...it pours!
My question is, would it be worth me doing the course for the 88
on a 70 if im eligible for it. And get the points for the 25 on
a 20 instead? This is as a last resort ofcourse or do i have
anything i can appeal against for any of these tickets?
I'm very grateful for the help and advice by the way!
#Post#: 27924--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: June 29, 2024, 10:14 am
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3 points is 3 points, I can’t see why it would matter which of
the offences you get them for.
#Post#: 27926--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: June 29, 2024, 10:37 am
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--- Quote from: Sizzle89 link ---
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> My question is, would it be worth me doing the course for the
88 on a 70 if im eligible for it. And get the points for the 25
on a 20 instead?
--- End Quote ---
You won't be offered a course for 88 in a 70 (up to 10% +9mph
over the limit).
A fixed penalty is a fixed penalty, regardless of the limit.
Only difference is the DVLA endorsement code (SP30 for ordinary
roads, SP50 for motorways, assuming it was a car).
N.B. When you receive the offers of course and fixed penalty,
read them carefully.
--- Quote ---
> This is as a last resort ofcourse or do i have anything i can
appeal against for any of these tickets?
>
--- End Quote ---
Ignoring the resident pedants' cries of "there is nothing to
appeal as you have not been convicted yet", nothing that you
have told us so far suggests a viable defence.
#Post#: 28171--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: July 1, 2024, 9:20 am
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
>
> [quote author=Sizzle89 link=topic=2354.msg27919#msg27919
date=1719672160]
> My question is, would it be worth me doing the course for the
88 on a 70 if im eligible for it. And get the points for the 25
on a 20 instead?
--- End Quote ---
You won't be offered a course for 88 in a 70 (up to 10% +9mph
over the limit).
A fixed penalty is a fixed penalty, regardless of the limit.
Only difference is the DVLA endorsement code (SP30 for ordinary
roads, SP50 for motorways, assuming it was a car).
N.B. When you receive the offers of course and fixed penalty,
read them carefully.
--- Quote ---
> This is as a last resort ofcourse or do i have anything i can
appeal against for any of these tickets?
>
--- End Quote ---
Ignoring the resident pedants' cries of "there is nothing to
appeal as you have not been convicted yet", nothing that you
have told us so far suggests a viable defence.
[/quote]
So do you suggest i just take both on the chin and say i was the
driver, with nothing to appeal?
#Post#: 28173--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: July 1, 2024, 9:36 am
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--- Quote from: Sizzle89 link ---
>
> So do you suggest i just take both on the chin and say i was
the driver, with nothing to appeal?
>
--- End Quote ---
You have to say you were the driver regardless, only the driver
can defend the allegation made, so you would need to be
identified as that entity even if you decided to defend it.
Nothing you have said indicates a viable defence and it is
generally considered foolhardy to allow the matter to go to
court (by not taking up an out of court settlement) - unless you
are so rich money doesn't matter - without a viable defence.
There may be defences relating to the traffic order (that
creates the limit) or signage (that notifies the driver of the
limit set by that order) but you haven't mentioned that.
#Post#: 28180--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP - 25mph on a 20 - Location 1203 East Smithfield nr
Cartwright st
DIR By: Sizzle89
Date: July 1, 2024, 10:05 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> [quote author=Sizzle89 link=topic=2354.msg28171#msg28171
date=1719843605]
> So do you suggest i just take both on the chin and say i was
the driver, with nothing to appeal?
>
--- End Quote ---
You have to say you were the driver regardless, only the driver
can defend the allegation made, so you would need to be
identified as that entity even if you decided to defend it.
Nothing you have said indicates a viable defence and it is
generally considered foolhardy to allow the matter to go to
court (by not taking up an out of court settlement) - unless you
are so rich money doesn't matter - without a viable defence.
There may be defences relating to the traffic order (that
creates the limit) or signage (that notifies the driver of the
limit set by that order) but you haven't mentioned that.
[/quote]
Thanks Rookie, so i will go ahead and respond saying i was the
driver for both. With regards to the 88 on the 70 on M6, i dont
really have a defence for that if im honest.
But i feel the 25 on the 20mph is really harsh. That road is
usually standstill traffic near Tower of London especially at
the time of the incident 17:30. But that day it must have been
clearer which allowed me to do 25 not noticing the speed camera.
Keep in mind the road is big and not a small narrow one so this
can naturally be done. Anything to look into that might allow me
to have a defence for this one?
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