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#Post#: 27740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: Logician
Date: June 27, 2024, 12:44 pm
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The newer speed cameras, which I think are used on the M1, take
a picture of the displayed limit as well as the car in question.
You can try asking for those. You will get nowhere with
speculative defences such as "the limit may not have been
correctly displayed" or "the camera may not have been properly
aligned" a machine is presumed to be working correctly unless
you can prove that it was not.
#Post#: 28741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: littlebee
Date: July 5, 2024, 10:19 am
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I managed to access the photo evidence.
On there it states, ''time since speed limit change'' ''1hour
27mins and 22 seconds''
So, I read that as, the speed limit did not change for over 1
hour and 27mins ?
That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed !
Is there a way I can request or obtain the speed limits on that
day for that section of the motorway ?
Thanks
#Post#: 28743--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: tonys
Date: July 5, 2024, 10:27 am
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--- Quote from: littlebee link ---
>
> That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed
!
--- End Quote ---
How can you know that? What they mean is the limit at that
particular place had been in place for that time. You're
probably referring to driving through different limits in
different places.
#Post#: 28746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: 666
Date: July 5, 2024, 11:00 am
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--- Quote from: littlebee link ---
>
> I managed to access the photo evidence.
>
> On there it states, ''time since speed limit change'' ''1hour
27mins and 22 seconds''
>
> So, I read that as, the speed limit did not change for over 1
hour and 27mins ?
>
> That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed
! Is there a way I can request or obtain the speed limits on
that day for that section of the motorway ?
>
> Thanks
>
--- End Quote ---
The only limit that matters is the one you're alleged to have
exceeded: what happened on the rest of your journey is
irrelevant.
Did you see the limit on that particular gantry change?
Presumably not, or you would have complied.
BTW when a limit does reduce, you will not be prosecuted for
immediately speeding past the sign. The system has a built-in
delay before the cameras are activated for the new limit.
#Post#: 28747--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: littlebee
Date: July 5, 2024, 11:05 am
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--- Quote from: 666 link ---
>
> [quote author=littlebee link=topic=2346.msg28741#msg28741
date=1720192774]
> I managed to access the photo evidence.
>
> On there it states, ''time since speed limit change'' ''1hour
27mins and 22 seconds''
>
> So, I read that as, the speed limit did not change for over 1
hour and 27mins ?
>
> That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed
! Is there a way I can request or obtain the speed limits on
that day for that section of the motorway ?
>
> Thanks
>
--- End Quote ---
The only limit that matters is the one you're alleged to have
exceeded: what happened on the rest of your journey is
irrelevant.
Did you see the limit on that particular gantry change?
Presumably not, or you would have complied.
BTW when a limit does reduce, you will not be prosecuted for
immediately speeding past the sign. The system has a built-in
delay before the cameras are activated for the new limit.
[/quote]
The speed limit changed on a regular basis.
They are saying it did not change for well over an hour, that is
simply not true !
The speed limit on the motorway continued to change through out
the journey and absolutely did change more than a few times in
an hour.
They have made a mistake. How do I prove they made the mistake ?
Is the speed limit information something I can formally request
?
#Post#: 28749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: 666
Date: July 5, 2024, 11:43 am
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--- Quote from: littlebee link ---
>
> [quote author=666 link=topic=2346.msg28746#msg28746
date=1720195208]
> [quote author=littlebee link=topic=2346.msg28741#msg28741
date=1720192774]
> I managed to access the photo evidence.
>
> On there it states, ''time since speed limit change'' ''1hour
27mins and 22 seconds''
>
> So, I read that as, the speed limit did not change for over 1
hour and 27mins ?
>
> That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed
! Is there a way I can request or obtain the speed limits on
that day for that section of the motorway ?
>
> Thanks
>
--- End Quote ---
The only limit that matters is the one you're alleged to have
exceeded: what happened on the rest of your journey is
irrelevant.
Did you see the limit on that particular gantry change?
Presumably not, or you would have complied.
BTW when a limit does reduce, you will not be prosecuted for
immediately speeding past the sign. The system has a built-in
delay before the cameras are activated for the new limit.
[/quote]
The speed limit changed on a regular basis.
They are saying it did not change for well over an hour, that is
simply not true !
The speed limit on the motorway continued to change through out
the journey and absolutely did change more than a few times in
an hour.
They have made a mistake. How do I prove they made the mistake ?
Is the speed limit information something I can formally request
?
[/quote]
There is no "speed limit on the motorway" except the default
70mph. When variable limits are in use, they can and do vary on
different sections of road. The 1hr 27 mins applies only to the
gantry where you were photographed, and it is entirely possible
that it had remained unchanged for a long period while those
before and/or after it varied.
I ask again, did you see the limit on that particular gantry
change as you approached?
#Post#: 28753--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: July 5, 2024, 12:05 pm
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--- Quote from: littlebee link ---
>
>
> The speed limit changed on a regular basis.
>
> They are saying it did not change for well over an hour, that
is simply not true !
>
> The speed limit on the motorway continued to change through
out the journey and absolutely did change more than a few times
in an hour.
>
> They have made a mistake. How do I prove they made the mistake
? Is the speed limit information something I can formally
request ?
>
--- End Quote ---
You are not understanding what several posters have already
said. The 1 hour whatever statement refers to this particular
gantry, NOT the whole motorway. So unless you saw the limit for
the gantry in quest change as you approached it, you have no
evidence at all.
#Post#: 28759--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: slapdash
Date: July 5, 2024, 12:42 pm
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--- Quote from: littlebee link ---
>
> Is the speed limit information something I can formally
request ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Highways England may provide you with that information.
It will not stop any clock ticking so you may still still
respond to the request for drivers details in time or commit a
more serious offence.
#Post#: 28764--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: July 5, 2024, 1:41 pm
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How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had
not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didn’t sit there
and watch?
#Post#: 29031--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
DIR By: littlebee
Date: July 8, 2024, 3:05 am
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--- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
>
> How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had
not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didn’t sit there
and watch?
>
--- End Quote ---
Incredible the amount sarcasm and discourteous posters on this
forum.
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