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#Post#: 27578--------------------------------------------------
Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter) Tavistock
Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: LividFromE17
Date: June 26, 2024, 11:54 am
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Hi all,
I just referred to another post by
[member=1768]timoteus[/member] with exactly the same PCN
curcumstances on the adjacent road here that was uncontested by
WF:
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[font=sans-serif]Same circumstances - I entered from south going
northbound, and drove along the road looking beyond for parking
spaces. I am really cross with myself as I completely missed
these signs so on the CCTV I look bang to rights. I was
completely oblivious, probably due to scanning beyond them for a
parking spot.
I was about to pay up but did a little search first and found WF
had not contested the PCN, but I can't see why?
Anyone have any insight - could it have been an issue like
staffing, or because of the conflicting no exit sign at the
entrance that they failed to remove, or simply good fortune for
the recipient? Should I quote Timoteus' one? Not sure whether
it sets a precedent or not.
Many thanks in advance.
PCN Page 1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MQUjT_0fxBXge_jbU5k4w8D67eW2as0x/view?usp=sharing
PCN Page 2
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H4Ywtzb4IaFYQvIRRUw2ifNXi7B_Kohd/view?usp=sharing
PCN Page 3
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/16j4hUh1JMmGWT4MlFBKGqPMNPvZgmvU9/view?usp=sharing
PCN Page 4
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hy9FjCCaRBK4AKhCXqAx6U1_Al53THsg/view?usp=sharing[/font]
#Post#: 27614--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 26, 2024, 3:39 pm
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Each case turns on its own merits; however, by all means PM the
other OP and ask them to ask WF why. You may not get very far
so I would draft your own representations.
#Post#: 27634--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: timoteus
Date: June 26, 2024, 4:58 pm
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OP from the other thread here.
I don't have much to add on why WF chose not to contest my
appeal that isn't speculation, but I will say this...
Your letter is dated 13/06/2024, giving you until the end of
tomorrow (27/06/2024) to pay the fine at the discounted rate.
Don't do this. Submit an informal appeal (email was the most
convenient method for me, but make sure you retain your own copy
as proof it was sent) a.s.a.p to WF - refer to the grounds of
appeal used in my thread, as your circumstances are very
similar. The key point of the argument being that the signage is
located in a confusing place (30m from the entrance to the road
in the case of Blenheim, I suspect it is similar for Tavistock
also).
Whatever you do choose to include in your informal
representations, simply making them will pause and reset the
clock - you will get a further 14 days from whenever they
respond to still pay at the discounted rate.
#Post#: 27791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: LividFromE17
Date: June 27, 2024, 5:53 pm
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Indeed, thank you for your reply. I have made the informal
challenge so let's see what they come back with. I am not
expecting a cancellation though. Will update once I receive the
reply.
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Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 27, 2024, 9:18 pm
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--- Quote from: LividFromE17 link ---
>
> Indeed, thank you for your reply. I have made the informal
challenge so let's see what they come back with. I am not
expecting a cancellation though. Will update once I receive the
reply.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry to be pedantic, but this is a postal PCN. There is no
informal challenge stage, you've submitted formal
representations. The next stage is an appeal to the Adjudicator
if your representations are not accepted.
That said it's likely they will re-offer the discount if they
reject your representations.
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Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 28, 2024, 2:08 am
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Please post up what you wrote.
#Post#: 27846--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: LividFromE17
Date: June 28, 2024, 8:40 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> [quote author=LividFromE17 link=topic=2340.msg27791#msg27791
date=1719528811]
> Indeed, thank you for your reply. I have made the informal
challenge so let's see what they come back with. I am not
expecting a cancellation though. Will update once I receive the
reply.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry to be pedantic, but this is a postal PCN. There is no
informal challenge stage, you've submitted formal
representations. The next stage is an appeal to the Adjudicator
if your representations are not accepted.
That said it's likely they will re-offer the discount if they
reject your representations.
[/quote]
Not all all! Thanks for correcting me, I see the difference and
yes they do say they hold at the discount rate if appealed
within 14 days of the date of the notice.
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Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: LividFromE17
Date: June 28, 2024, 8:42 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Please post up what you wrote.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here is my appeal - submitted via their online system.
I wish to appeal against this PCN as I do not think the signage
is adequate.
There is no signage at the entrance to the road saying there is
no through road, or that it is one-way. I approached from the
south travelling northbound on Blackhorse Lane E17 and took a
right turn into the road. I am not familiar with this road at
all, but once safely turned into the road I proceeded down it
scanning for a parking spot.
The fact I hadn't seen it supports that it's in an unusual spot,
some 30m or further from the entrance to the road. It's not at
the entrance to the road or at any natural junction, at a point
where the road is lined with parked cars, and not at all
anywhere a driver would expect. There are no other visual clues,
such as planters or chicanes which you would usually find for
such modal filters. Hence I had no idea and was busily looking
for parking spots. Any driver who has driven to this point would
then - if they'd seen these signs - have to make a u-turn.
Furthermore, the "No Entry" markings on the road itself are
confusing in conjunction with the signs, as they contradict the
right of cyclists and those using non-motorised forms of
transport to proceed - they are more appropriate to one way
streets, which this one clearly isn’t.
I request that the PCN be cancelled due to inadequate,
unexpected and confusing signage.
#Post#: 27999--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 30, 2024, 9:29 am
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Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD0ECJx8qWA
The traffic order is The Waltham Forest (Prescribed Routes)
(Winns Avenue Pennant Terrace region) (No.1) Experimental
Traffic Order 2023
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GUvqn8W6Fhz-HNdysI7JQFRvPcJKQk6u/view.
[member=1768]timoteus[/member] at this point it would be really
helpful if you could make a subject access request to WF council
to find out exactly why they DNC'ed your appeal, the council has
an online form for this here:
HTML https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/council-and-elections/your-data-and-privacy/your-data-privacy-rights/ask-your-personal-data
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Re: Waltham Forest Code 52M (driving through modal filter)
Tavistock Avenue / Blackhorse Lane E17
DIR By: timoteus
Date: July 2, 2024, 4:18 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [member=1768]timoteus[/member] at this point it would be
really helpful if you could make a subject access request to WF
council to find out exactly why they DNC'ed your appeal
>
--- End Quote ---
I've submitted an SAR - it's stated that a response may take up
to 1 month to be received
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