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#Post#: 27274--------------------------------------------------
Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge was
being cut
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: June 23, 2024, 10:41 am
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To whom can help,
Whilst our garden hedge was being cut we temporarily moved our
car from the drive to the road outside our house but forgot to
move it back to the drive. The parking sign states Permit
holders only 11am - Noon. We are not permit holders and received
a ticket at 11:37.
Feels unfair that we have to pay £55 for parking just outside
our house! Please can you help. Thanks
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#Post#: 27301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 23, 2024, 2:21 pm
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I suggest you submit representions against the PCN based on what
you have told us, and state that you are residents as the house
where the car was standing, and request the PCN be cancelled,
pointing out that you are sure the parking restriction is to
prevent commuters parking there for free and then walking to
Rayners Lane Underground Station, and not to punish local
residents. DOn't be confrontational, because the CEO would have
had no idea the car was outside its owner's house.
#Post#: 27582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 26, 2024, 12:14 pm
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[member=154]challenge_cheaters[/member] please give us the PCN
number and the number plate, without this information we can't
do any basic checks.
#Post#: 27615--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: June 26, 2024, 3:51 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [member=154]challenge_cheaters[/member] please give us the PCN
number and the number plate, without this information we can't
do any basic checks.
>
--- End Quote ---
PCN: HR75242785
Reg: LV08DPK
#Post#: 27932--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 29, 2024, 11:45 am
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What evidence do you have around the hedge cutting, at what time
did the work start and when did it finish?
Also, don't you have any visitor permits?
Council photos:
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HTML https://i.imgur.com/93ySmrH.jpeg
The location is here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/K6V1c6QXayRuRkBS6<br
/>and the one thing that occurs to me is that this is not
opposite
lamppost 3, it's between a point opposite lamppost 3 and a point
opposite lamppost 4.
#Post#: 27944--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 29, 2024, 1:56 pm
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Oh dear, mea culpa ! I forgot about the visitor permit
facility, that would have covered the OP's time on the
carriageway. Of course, these all cost money.
#Post#: 27961--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: June 30, 2024, 4:27 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> What evidence do you have around the hedge cutting, at what
time did the work start and when did it finish?
>
> Also, don't you have any visitor permits?
>
> Council photos:
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Bej9qKw.jpeg
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/6DuMQYv.jpeg
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/d4i1S3P.jpeg
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/93ySmrH.jpeg
>
> The location is here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/K6V1c6QXayRuRkBS6<br
/>and the one thing that occurs to me is that this is not
opposite
lamppost 3, it's between a point opposite lamppost 3 and a point
opposite lamppost 4.
>
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Thanks for the checks.
- We moved the car at 8:30
- We have Ring video footage showing the hedge being cut.
- We do not have a visitors parking permit
- Please let me know the significance of the lamppost location
- the 14-day cut-off will be 4th July - so I need to appeal by
then.
Cheers
#Post#: 28041--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 30, 2024, 12:10 pm
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Well you must know the restrictions exist so I don't think being
in deliberate contravention will help. There is no requirement
for the PCN to give an exact location, but if the location is
wrong then you can argue the contravention alleged did not
occur.
Here's a draft you can send:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Harrow,
The alleged contravention did not occur. It is alleged on the
PCN that a contravention took place while my car was parked on
Cannon Lane opposite lamppost 4, but my car was not at that
location. Lamppost 4 is situated opposite number 9 Cannon Lane,
but my car was opposite number 16 Cannon Lane. If the
contravention alleged on the PCN did not occur (which it did
not), it is then irrelevant whether a contravention did or
didn't occur at some other point along Cannon Lane, as it is
only the matter alleged on the PCN that counts.
It follows that the PCN must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
In the meantime I have found the traffic order for this
location, it's The Harrow (Parking Places) Traffic Order 2020
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JA7T805jfccPCmSK4dp53N7vSvcnk-LP/view<br
/>and Cannon Lane is in Schedule 1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Xve_wUcqNXMyVaBZbVBGTrWHQL4ysMk/view<br
/>on page six. The interesting thing is the order and the road
markings don't match up to each other at all. I'm going to make
some enquiries with the council about this, if they have simply
messed up the order then we can use this argument at the notice
to owner stage, or possibly at the tribunal.
#Post#: 28073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: challenge_cheaters
Date: June 30, 2024, 4:05 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Well you must know the restrictions exist so I don't think
being in deliberate contravention will help. There is no
requirement for the PCN to give an exact location, but if the
location is wrong then you can argue the contravention alleged
did not occur.
>
> Here's a draft you can send:
>
> [indent]
> Dear London Borough of Harrow,
>
> The alleged contravention did not occur. It is alleged on the
PCN that a contravention took place while my car was parked on
Cannon Lane opposite lamppost 4, but my car was not at that
location. Lamppost 4 is situated opposite number 9 Cannon Lane,
but my car was opposite number 16 Cannon Lane. If the
contravention alleged on the PCN did not occur (which it did
not), it is then irrelevant whether a contravention did or
didn't occur at some other point along Cannon Lane, as it is
only the matter alleged on the PCN that counts.
>
> It follows that the PCN must be cancelled.
>
> Yours faithfully,
> [/indent]
>
>
> Send this online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation
page.
>
> In the meantime I have found the traffic order for this
location, it's The Harrow (Parking Places) Traffic Order 2020
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JA7T805jfccPCmSK4dp53N7vSvcnk-LP/view<br
/>and Cannon Lane is in Schedule 1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Xve_wUcqNXMyVaBZbVBGTrWHQL4ysMk/view<br
/>on page six. The interesting thing is the order and the road
markings don't match up to each other at all. I'm going to make
some enquiries with the council about this, if they have simply
messed up the order then we can use this argument at the notice
to owner stage, or possibly at the tribunal.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your help. A few things to point out:
1. Yes, this is the location as you pointed out:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/K6V1c6QXayRuRkBS6.
This is outside house
number 9 Cannon lane.
2. The PCN states 'opp lp 3'rather than lamppost 4 you mentioned
in your draft
3. Also, does 'opposite' mean the same side as the road as the
lamppost i.e. alongside the lampost or literally the other side
of the road to the lamppost?
Thanks
#Post#: 28096--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ticket for parking outside my house whilst my garden hedge
was being cut
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 30, 2024, 5:29 pm
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[member=154]challenge_cheaters[/member] I'll need to tweak the
draft slightly. Do you know the house number of the house on the
corner here?
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