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#Post#: 1663--------------------------------------------------
Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: Peekaboo97
Date: July 20, 2023, 6:29 pm
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Hi all,
I am writing to urgently seek your advice and assistance
regarding a concerning situation I am facing with Penalty Charge
Notices (PCNs) issued for a bus gate contravention on Bridge
Street in Bradford.
Recently, I received multiple PCN,s for allegedly contravening
the bus gate on Bridge Street. Prior to this, I had contacted
the council to inquire about the camera enforcement of the bus
gate, and I was informed that the bus gate outside the Queen pub
on Bridge Street had been temporarily deactivated, while all
other bus gates on Bridge Street remained operational. Based on
this information, I believed it was permissible to use that
route without incurring any penalties.
To my dismay, not only did I receive the PCN for the alleged
contravention, but I also received multiple additional PCNs for
the same bus gate contravention. Today alone, I received four
PCNs through the post, despite having appealed one of them
(awaiting result)
This situation is deeply concerning, as it appears to be an
unjust and repetitive issuance of PCNs for a situation where I
genuinely believed I was following the council's guidance. I am
seeking your advice and assistance on how to handle this matter.
I have already appealed one of the PCNs and provided all
relevant evidence, including the email exchanges with the
council. However, I fear that I might continue to receive more
PCNs, which could lead to further complications and penalties.
I would greatly appreciate your guidance on the best course of
action to resolve this issue and ensure that I am not unfairly
burdened with unnecessary PCNs. Your assistance in this matter
is crucial, and I am hopeful that you can provide valuable
insight and support.
Contravention code was 34j.
1st pcn - 11th July alleged contravention. Posted on the 14th.
2nd pcn - 5th pcn all alleged on the 12th and posted on the
19th.
May expect more.
1st pcn:
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Email exchanges -
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Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter. I am looking
forward to your response and advice.
#Post#: 1665--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 20, 2023, 6:44 pm
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Note sure why you think this is so urgent, the earliest PCNs
don't lose the discount until 7 august, so there's plenty of
time. Once you've made representations, the discount is put on
hold, so you don't lose out. I'll have a proper look tomorrow.
#Post#: 1667--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 20, 2023, 7:02 pm
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There's something wrong with your photo of the email exchange,
it doesn't zoom properly. We need to see this to see what the
council told you about enforcement at the location concerned.
#Post#: 1668--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: Peekaboo97
Date: July 20, 2023, 7:19 pm
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I have split the conversation to make it easier to read.
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Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 21, 2023, 4:02 am
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The CCTV camera is here, right outside the Queen put:
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/uBQPWZf3YGgkQk198
You've been given an unequivocal assurance from the council that
the bus gate was suspended, so in my view you had a legitimate
expectation that you could rely on what you had been told.
Draft representation:
[indent]
Dear City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council,
I am aware of a number of diversions due to roadworks in the
area, and I am aware that some of the signage has caused
confusion to drivers. To ensure compliance, I contacted the
council a few days ago to seek clarification of which bus gates
are currently in operation, and which ones are suspended.
I was first advised that "the bus gates on Bridge Street have
been turned off", but because I wanted to be 100% certain of my
position, I wrote back again seeking confirmation of the precise
locations where enforcement had been suspended. In a follow-up
email, the council confirmed that "the bus gate outside the
Queen pub has been turned off for the time being".
The expression "for the the time being" indicates something that
is ongoing for a period of time and the end of which is not
immediately foreseen or very imminent. Therefore when I
travelled through the bus gate, I did so in the reasonable
expectation that the bus gate was still suspended.
If the council's intention was that the bus gate would become
operational again within less than a week, I would have expected
the council's email to confirm the date that enforcement would
resume, or at least give some indication that enforcement was to
recommence imminently.
In the circumstances I had a legitimate expectation that the
information provided by the council was accurate, and had that
unequivocal assurance not been given, I would not have taken
this route.
In the circumstances, no contravention occurred and the PCN must
be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
In the meantime I'll find out the make and model of the camera
and the dates when enforcement was suspended.
#Post#: 1704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: Peekaboo97
Date: July 21, 2023, 7:18 am
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Thank you for your reply [member=1]cp8759[/member].
I'm a private hire driver and did share with friends in regards
to the temporary deactivation of the bus gate camera. Do you
suggest they also use the same draft?
#Post#: 1706--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 21, 2023, 7:58 am
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--- Quote from: Peekaboo97 link ---
>
> Thank you for your reply [member=1]cp8759[/member].
>
> I'm a private hire driver and did share with friends in
regards to the temporary deactivation of the bus gate camera. Do
you suggest they also use the same draft?
>
--- End Quote ---
Well they'll have to amend it slightly to explain that you
forwarded it to them, but yes the principle is the same.
#Post#: 1923--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: Peekaboo97
Date: July 25, 2023, 7:44 am
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I've had 7 pcns come through... Can i appeal the multiple pcns
at once or do they have to be done one at a time?
Thanks.
#Post#: 1939--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 25, 2023, 3:26 pm
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You'll have to do them one at a time I'm afraid. Make sure to
challenge all of them because if you don't make representations,
you automatically lose.
#Post#: 2517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council code 34j - dispute
DIR By: Peekaboo97
Date: August 3, 2023, 8:29 am
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Hi guys.
Received a response back from the council to say all the pcn
notices have been cancelled.
I was given false information regarding the bus gate cameras
enforcement.
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