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53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The Ridgeway
N11
DIR By: anthomy93
Date: June 22, 2024, 6:44 am
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Hi
I have received PCN stating contravention of 53J Failing to
comply with a restriction on vehicles entering the pedestrian
zone (camera enforcement)
Vehicle was seen in Bethune Avenue South of the Ridgeway N11 on
10/06/2024, date of the notice was 17/06/2024
I am based in east London and this was my first time driving
through this area in N11 where my navigation system has guided
me to.
I checked google maps and the signs do not appear on street
view.
google street view
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tJUzKBTNTH4Er2Ga9
I have drafted a challenge and would like to ask for you opinion
to move forward with it.
"I would like to challenge as there was no prior warning that
could have allowed me to comply with the restriction. I am based
in east London and not familiar with the area to where my
navigation system has guided me. The signage does not appear on
google street view and Waze, suggesting that it is either a new
addition not yet documented or is placed in a manner that makes
it not visible to drivers turning right from the road (The
Ridgeway) until it is too late to avoid entering the restricted
area. As you can see the sign is only visible driving straight
on Bethune Avenue, however it is not angled clear and visibly
turning from the side road (The Ridgeway)"
#Post#: 27096--------------------------------------------------
Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council
DIR By: anthomy93
Date: June 22, 2024, 6:47 am
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PCN Number: AG45877229
Folder is full so I`m unable to upload screenshot of the PCN
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 22, 2024, 7:38 am
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> Folder is full so I`m unable to upload screenshot of the PCN
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Please to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post here all sides of the PCN, redactng only name &
address. Leave everything else in.
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: anthomy93
Date: June 22, 2024, 8:21 am
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 22, 2024, 8:31 am
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Here are the Images (using the BBcodes). Now complete
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: anthomy93
Date: June 22, 2024, 8:47 am
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Apologies. Missing pages are below
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: anthomy93
Date: June 22, 2024, 2:09 pm
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Do you think I’d have a legitimate ground to appeal this PCN?
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 22, 2024, 4:13 pm
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> Do you think I’d have a legitimate ground to appeal this PCN?
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Well, you might have, but as GSV is too out-of-date to show the
signs it is not possible to say whether you have a strong case
or not.
I note that threads from satnav users driving in big cities are
getting rather too common on this forum. Satnavs are NEVER
up-to-date. But you might say, "I updated it last night and paid
£100 to do so". But if the geographical information the satnav
relies on doesn't have all the traffic restrictions, it may well
send you down a road you should not go down. All this modern
whizzo stuff we all rely on nowadays is not totally perfect, I'm
afraid.
So, what we need is sight of the signs at that location. After
that, final advice can be given.
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Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: anthomy93
Date: June 23, 2024, 12:16 am
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I understand when it comes to satnav. Thank you for the input!
#Post#: 27313--------------------------------------------------
Re: 53J PCN - Barnet Council - Bethune Avenue South of The
Ridgeway N11
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 23, 2024, 4:11 pm
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[member=871]anthomy93[/member] well you turned right into the
road:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf_MZQZkftU
We have won in such circumstances before where there was an
absence of advance warning signs on the road a driver was
turning out of, but as GSV is out of date we don't know what the
signage situation is.
You should therefore make a representation simply denying the
contravention before midnight on Tuesday in order to buy us some
time and preserve the discount, this will give us several weeks
to get the information back.
In the meantime I'll get hold of photos of the signage and the
traffic management order.
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