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#Post#: 1599--------------------------------------------------
Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: gbawekanu
Date: July 20, 2023, 4:59 am
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I am reaching out to seek assistance regarding a parking ticket
I received last Saturday at 19:21.
I am hoping that someone from the forum can provide some
guidance on how to handle this situation.
The issue I encountered is with regards to the parking sign in
the area where I received the ticket. The sign displays two
separate and conflicting times. At the top, it indicates that
parking restrictions were from 6:30 - 10pm, while the sign at
the bottom states that restrictions apply from 8:00 - 6:30pm.
Additionally, when I attempted to pay for parking using the
designated Parking app because of the ambiguity, I received a
message saying that the parking session cannot be started at
that time or something similar to that effect.
Any good chance of appealing this?
HTML https://imgur.com/a/Osia6ET
HTML https://imgur.com/a/4hN2Uau
#Post#: 1639--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 20, 2023, 4:06 pm
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--- Quote from: gbawekanu link ---
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> At the top, it indicates that parking restrictions were from
6:30 - 10pm, while the sign at the bottom states that
restrictions apply from 8:00 - 6:30pm.
>
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No, the signs are not contradictory at all. There's one sign
that applies from 8 am to 6:30 pm, and another one that applies
from 6:30 pm to 10 pm. As you were parked after 6:30 pm, it's
the second sign that applied.
--- Quote from: gbawekanu link ---
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> Additionally, when I attempted to pay for parking using the
designated Parking app because of the ambiguity, I received a
message saying that the parking session cannot be started at
that time or something similar to that effect.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's because after 6:30 pm, only resident permit holders can
park, so you can't buy a parking session.
--- Quote from: gbawekanu link ---
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> Any good chance of appealing this?
>
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Not based on what you've said so far, but give us the PCN number
and the number plate and we'll see if there's something more
viable.
#Post#: 1645--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: gbawekanu
Date: July 20, 2023, 4:26 pm
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Thank you for your analysis.
This is my first time of seeing this type of confusing sign in
over 10 years of driving.
The PCN number is ZN08415143
The car registration is OV66VSF.
The top sign says 6 - 10:30pm. Do you think that is clear enough
that it means "6pm' or could I argue someone can assume it means
6am?
#Post#: 1653--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 20, 2023, 5:25 pm
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The expression of time 6 - 10:30 pm is permitted, see paragraph
1(1) of Schedule 18 to the Traffic Signs Regulations 2016
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/18/made.
The traffic order is The Haringey (Charged-For Parking Places)
Order 2021
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MiKY7GMQeK2JazwTkT1p5hWAXOqFr4Ah/view?usp=sharing<br
/>as amended by The Haringey (Charged-For Parking Places)
(Amendment No.57) Order 2022
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K_I5R2mKwo0A5UeV2uD9zw865Phbojnh/view?usp=sharing<br
/>and the map tiles for this particular bay are here
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nGQLECT70vEZrJOvxphWbi8HW8Q1s-6q/view?usp=sharing<br
/>(see page 12).
You might as well make a plea for discretion but I can't see
much else to go on here. Give others a chance to comment first
though.
#Post#: 1666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 20, 2023, 6:55 pm
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The sign seems clear enough to me.
#Post#: 1672--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: slapdash
Date: July 21, 2023, 2:12 am
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--- Quote from: gbawekanu link ---
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> The top sign says 6 - 10:30pm. Do you think that is clear
enough that it means "6pm' or could I argue someone can assume
it means 6am?
>
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It's fairly common to only use am/pm on the start time when it
differs from the end time.
But, so what if it was interpreted as AM ?
That wouldn't have made any difference.
#Post#: 7872--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: gbawekanu
Date: October 20, 2023, 9:28 am
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PCN has been cancelled by Haringey Council. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 21, 2023, 9:13 am
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--- Quote from: gbawekanu link ---
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> PCN has been cancelled by Haringey Council. ;D ;D ;D
>
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Please post up exactly what you sent, and the council's reply,
as this could be helpful to others in the future.
#Post#: 8016--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unjust PCN Issued for Conflicting Parking Times
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 21, 2023, 2:48 pm
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--- Quote from: gbawekanu link ---
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> PCN has been cancelled by Haringey Council. ;D ;D ;D
>
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Colour me confused.
Happy for you and congrats but this is almost unheard of.
As CP asks, copy of your reps and their letter please, just so
we know for others in the future.
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