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#Post#: 26809--------------------------------------------------
TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing my
forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: JunotheCorso
Date: June 19, 2024, 5:27 pm
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Council name or other authority: Northampton Business County
Court
The alleged contravention: Unpaid ULEZ Charges
Location: London Various
PCNs: XJ07992747, XJ07686966, XJ07792533, XJ0791780A,
XJ08261372, XJ08348914
Please see attached images for context and evidence submitted
for each challenge.
I sold my 2002 non ULEZ compliant L322 range rover in October to
a third party (buyer). This third party proceeded to get around
6 ULEZ PCN's which were addressed to my companies name, later in
October
PCN's, NTO's and all the rest of the issued charges were not
received to our letter box. These were not delivered to my
company address which is known to have issues receiving mail
(not known to royal mail) but none to us that sometimes they
can't find out shutter mail box. I only first took notice of
these at the county court stage in April when I returned from
Holiday.
I proceeded to fill in the PE3 form which I thought was correct,
but didn't know I needed the PE2 forms. They resent the PE3
witnessed forms with my evidence, which consisted of over 15
pages of documents from DVLA, invoices, TFL correspondence,
Proof of Sale, ect One key evidence being a DVLA letter stating
that the vehicle had been sold back in October 14th and I was no
longer the owner, preceeding the dates of the ULEZ infractions
TFL also cancelled 6 of these PCN's initially and then
reassigned them back to me at some point according to the PCN
number history on their website. I have this letter as proof,
which is TFL's acceptance of my appeal.
Furthermore, I then filled in the PE2 forms with the PE3 forms
previously completed. This process has lasted from February to
Now.
TEC has just resent the forms back entirely with another
excuse.First return to sender
Reason 1: That my name didn't match the name on the PCN (which
is untrue)
Reason 2: That I didn't name a responsible director (It was
literally in the form)
Reason 3: No PE2 formsI then printed all of the PE2/PE3 forms
and filled via adobe so it was printed in electronic text.
Second return to sender
Reason 1: These forms must be completed and signed by the
respondent named.
The forms can only be completed and signed by (Buyer name)
So am I to assume this is a complete mess up by the TEC? The
respondant name is in my company name who these filings are
against, now they are saying this individual who bought a
vehicle over 6 months ago from me an only sign the PE2/PE3 form
which is taking my company to court for thousands?
I am sending so much time filling in forms and making evidence
bundles for 6 ULEZ fines which have gone to Northampton County
Court. I am extremely stressed and experiencing head aches and
migranes every day for the past two to three months because of
the potential huge fines and the fact that I am simply getting
no where in this process. It feels like such a huge injustice
where the small guy just gets put into a machine and spat out
with the government and these bodies making profit left, right
and center and trying to pull out procedural excuses on innocent
people. In any case I did not make any mistakes on the forms
themselves when they were filled in, but I do not understand how
on earth can a Northampton county court claim can be addressed
to me an they're asking for the PE2/PE3 form to be filled in by
the buyer who I don't know and can't find.
Even if I did get in contact with them, do they expect them to
take ownership of thousands in potential fines for a car worth
1000 quid?
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#Post#: 26847--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 20, 2024, 3:18 am
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What makes you believe that TFL are still enforcing the six ULEZ
PCNs against your company?
Unless I've missed something, tt seems that the letter from TFL
is telling you that they have accepted that you're not liable
and have re-issued the PCNs to the other party, presumably the
person who bought the car. The PCNs wouldn't have been
cancelled, just reissued and re-served.
The case progression histories suggest that the PCNs were
reissued, I grant it doesn't tell us to whom.
That would explain why the TEC are bouncing your PE2 & PE3
forms. Your company is no longer the entity (Respondent) against
whom the charges have been registered.
#Post#: 26850--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: JunotheCorso
Date: June 20, 2024, 3:42 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> What makes you believe that TFL are still enforcing the six
ULEZ PCNs against your company?
>
> Unless I've missed something, tt seems that the letter from
TFL is telling you that they have accepted that you're not
liable and have re-issued the PCNs to the other party,
presumably the person who bought the car. The PCNs wouldn't have
been cancelled, just reissued and re-served.
>
> The case progression histories suggest that the PCNs were
reissued, I grant it doesn't tell us to whom.
>
> That would explain why the TEC are bouncing your PE2 & PE3
forms. Your company is no longer the entity (Respondent) against
whom the charges have been registered.
>
--- End Quote ---
So, the notice of acceptance when appealing was in February. We
then receive claim forms from county court, suggesting they had
been re-issued back to us again. That's where we are at. I will
call the TEC and see if they will give any information on who
the respondent now is and ask for confirmation that it's no
longer on our name.
#Post#: 26853--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: JunotheCorso
Date: June 20, 2024, 3:58 am
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I can confirm that TFL have changed the respondent name and
thanksfully we are no longer liable.
#Post#: 26854--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 20, 2024, 4:01 am
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Well, for once, that was easy!
#Post#: 26855--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: JunotheCorso
Date: June 20, 2024, 4:04 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> Well, for once, that was easy!
>
--- End Quote ---
Don't worry i'm about to post up 4 warrants active against my
person name from 2023, all paperwork sent to previous address
and DVLA are responsible as they didn't process my change of
address on licence (can be proven with royal mail tracking)
#Post#: 26883--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 20, 2024, 8:07 am
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Don't worry i'm about to post up 4 warrants active against my
person name from 2023, all paperwork sent to previous address
and DVLA are responsible as they didn't process my change of
address on licence (can be proven with royal mail tracking)
If all you've done is to notify a change of address on your
licence then you have a shock coming: changing V5C details is
totally separate.
You might want to start your own thread.
#Post#: 27242--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL ULEZ PE2/PE3 - Traffic Enforcement Centre not processing
my forms x 6 County Court Proceedings
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 23, 2024, 7:19 am
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[member=2049]JunotheCorso[/member] please start a seperate
thread for anything that is addressed to you personally rather
than the company.
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