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#Post#: 26194--------------------------------------------------
London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping in
box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: smithakp1
Date: June 15, 2024, 5:06 pm
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Hi,
I am seeking some assistance and guidance regarding the PCN from
the London borough of Havering for an alleged traffic
contravention 31J: entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited.
The alleged contravention happened on the 29th May, and the
notice was issued on 13th June which I received today.
Here is the link to the PCN.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/dZTdQ5v
Here is the video
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/17B_3mOFQnngn4Tad0qVcIRMnlc5QmBrr/view?usp=drive_link.
Here's the Google street view link:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/GPLzRJZji6ZxXxp46
As you can see from the video, I was crossing the yellow box and
the traffic in the front stopped. Since I could not go forward,
I tried to reverse but had to stop within the box itself as the
traffic behind me came to a standstill due to the traffic
lights. I could only restart after the traffic in front of me
cleared.
I would like to understand if it makes sense to challenge this,
and if yes, how must I phrase my representation?
Many thanks for your assistance.
Kind regards
Smitha
#Post#: 26198--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: June 15, 2024, 5:44 pm
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I'm getting an 'access denied' message trying to watch the
video, you'll need to set the permissions up so we can look at
it.
#Post#: 26201--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: smithakp1
Date: June 15, 2024, 6:00 pm
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Hi,
I have provided access to the video now.
#Post#: 26215--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 15, 2024, 7:21 pm
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I'm not hopeful on the contravention itself, as the video shows
you driving into the box with no hesitation, then being forced
to stop when the bus stops, the care behind you also had to
almost stop, but may have got away without a PCN by manoevring
round the bus.
There may be a "technical" defence based on the camera
authorisation though, so wait and see what the experts say on
this one.
#Post#: 26245--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: smithakp1
Date: June 16, 2024, 6:48 am
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Thank you. Any advice please
#Post#: 26308--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 16, 2024, 3:26 pm
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> Thank you. Any advice please
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Cameras do not need authorisation in this law. The whole of the
PCN please.
#Post#: 26337--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 16, 2024, 4:44 pm
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[member=2009]smithakp1[/member] please post the remaining pages
of the PCN.
#Post#: 26381--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: smithakp1
Date: June 17, 2024, 3:25 am
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Hi, here is the link to the whole PCN
HTML https://imgur.com/a/koDHnQv
#Post#: 26383--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 17, 2024, 3:46 am
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Ah ah! The last bulleted ground is, ironically, invalid. This
ground is not afforded in this legislation. I would make a
collateral challenge on this as it causes confusion.
As per their directions on the PCN:
Dear Havering
Ref: PCN VRM
I make this formal representation against the said PCN:
The PCN is unenforceable because it contains a ground referring
to the traffic order being invalid which does not belong in this
legislation. Therefore, please cancel it forthwith.
Yours faithfully
etc etc.
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(Yet another council which cannot simply copy and paste. They
had major problems with their bus lane PCNs until recently.)
I am more than happy to represent if this goes the full
distance. Let's see what their response will be.
#Post#: 26399--------------------------------------------------
Re: London borough of Havering - 31J PCN entering and stopping
in box junction - PCN - Main Road/Upper Brentwood Road
DIR By: smithakp1
Date: June 17, 2024, 5:34 am
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Thank you so much [member=24]Hippocrates[/member]. This is very
helpful. I will go ahead and challenge this as per your
instruction.
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