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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: concoj Date: August 19, 2025, 4:53 pm
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: Hippocrates Date: August 27, 2025, 9:59 am
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Back to Kingston - yet again!
The infamous YBJ in Kingston Road New Malden.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: Hippocrates Date: September 1, 2025, 2:15 am
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More Kingston incompetence.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: markie76 Date: November 28, 2025, 6:27 am
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Who remembers this...?
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Is there an FTLA version covering Council/Private that could be
used to spread awareness and encourage appeals?
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: Southpaw82 Date: November 28, 2025, 8:08 am
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[quote author=markie76 link=topic=2208.msg100194#msg100194
date=1764332824]
Who remembers this...?
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Is there an FTLA version covering Council/Private that could be
used to spread awareness and encourage appeals?
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No - not least for the reason that CP and I (as the owners of
FTLA) haven’t approved it.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: Hippocrates Date: November 29, 2025, 8:01 am
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I attended the Court of Appeal hearing re Beavis v Parking Eye
and sat next to Patrick Troy. I think he had to wake me up a few
times. Quite a few other famous campaigners were there
too......not implying I am famous or even was at the time.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: thepcnguy Date: November 29, 2025, 10:44 am
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Hi all, I’ve built a free tool that I think could be helpful for
people to start fighting their PCNs. The tool is:
pcnpal.co.uk
It’s in its infancy so there are still bugs to work out and
features to add. Some of the templates we provide probably
aren’t optimal so it would be great to get some feedback on what
can be improved.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: ivanleo Date: November 30, 2025, 8:51 am
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[member=7523]thepcnguy[/member] from a quick look at least some
of the information provided is outright wrong, so I'd suggest
you want to put a big banner at the top stating this is tool is
in beta testing and should not be relied upon by anyone for any
purpose, and nobody should challenge a PCN based on the
information it generates.
That's not to say that it doesn't have potential, but some of
the information given would actually harm the motorist's chances
on appeal. I do not (and will not) have the time to go through
every possible scenario and permutation for you, and the other
problem is that it would need to be constantly maintained:
tactics change all the time as councils change their processes
and policies, find new ways to mess things up, the tribunal
jurisprudence eveloes and so on.
Ultimately I very much doubt you'll be able to tell anyone that
they can actually rely on the tool, it might eventually get to
the point where it can create a good starting point, but I think
you'll always need a qualified person to review the outputs. It
might be helpful if it could do something similar to what the
NIP wizard used to do on Pepipoo, i.e. gather all the
information for a post on this site and then give us a concise
summary of the key stuff we need to know to be able to give
proper advice.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: thepcnguy Date: December 1, 2025, 3:41 pm
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[quote author=cp8759 link=topic=2208.msg100403#msg100403
date=1764514262]
[member=7523]thepcnguy[/member] from a quick look at least some
of the information provided is outright wrong, so I'd suggest
you want to put a big banner at the top stating this is tool is
in beta testing and should not be relied upon by anyone for any
purpose, and nobody should challenge a PCN based on the
information it generates.
That's not to say that it doesn't have potential, but some of
the information given would actually harm the motorist's chances
on appeal. I do not (and will not) have the time to go through
every possible scenario and permutation for you, and the other
problem is that it would need to be constantly maintained:
tactics change all the time as councils change their processes
and policies, find new ways to mess things up, the tribunal
jurisprudence eveloes and so on.
Ultimately I very much doubt you'll be able to tell anyone that
they can actually rely on the tool, it might eventually get to
the point where it can create a good starting point, but I think
you'll always need a qualified person to review the outputs. It
might be helpful if it could do something similar to what the
NIP wizard used to do on Pepipoo, i.e. gather all the
information for a post on this site and then give us a concise
summary of the key stuff we need to know to be able to give
proper advice.
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Ok, I've removed the blog posts and added the beta testing
warning banner for now. I will have a think about how I can make
this work. If anyone has any suggestions on what I could do to
make it work let me know.
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
By: ivanleo Date: December 1, 2025, 4:44 pm
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[quote author=thepcnguy link=topic=2208.msg100597#msg100597
date=1764625271]
Ok, I've removed the blog posts and added the beta testing
warning banner for now. I will have a think about how I can make
this work. If anyone has any suggestions on what I could do to
make it work let me know.
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As per my PM, start by reading all the decisions on the
"adjudications - notable cases" tab of the PCN spreadsheet that
have been promulgated in the last six months or so, and try and
build all those scenarios into the tool.
Also you might have to have a look at how the NIP wizard used to
work on pepipoo, you'll have to trawl through the web archive
though as it's been offline for some time now.
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