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       #Post#: 42505--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: Southpaw82 Date: October 26, 2024, 9:57 am
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       [quote author=cp8759 link=topic=2208.msg42494#msg42494
       date=1729953190]
       [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=2208.msg42449#msg42449
       date=1729941223]
       I have got a shirt for our administrator too.
       [/quote]
       There's two of us, but I'm not sure how keen
       [member=4]Southpaw82[/member] is on getting one?
       [/quote]
       Be a great one to wear in court 🤣
       [quote author=mickR link=topic=2208.msg42503#msg42503
       date=1729954392]
       good job they aren't trousers as they would need 3 legs. (not a
       reference to Rolf)
       [/quote]
       🤐
       #Post#: 42548--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: Hippocrates Date: October 26, 2024, 3:01 pm
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       [member=1]cp8759[/member] I could not get a logo of a wizard for
       the reverse side so I used a Spartan icon instead. I will do the
       other video shortly in Surrey. Hopefully at Claremont Gardens as
       there is a natural amphitheatre there. I assume the figures for
       outside London are similar?
       BTW, I will be wearing mine most of this week at Furnival
       Street. 8)
       #Post#: 42549--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: ivanleo Date: October 26, 2024, 3:10 pm
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       [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=2208.msg42548#msg42548
       date=1729972874]
       I assume the figures for outside London are similar?
       [/quote]
       They're basically the same, 10 million or so PCNs a year and
       only 50-60k appeals. The only difference is that they're spread
       across some 300 authorities rather than 34.
       #Post#: 42628--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: HJ____h Date: October 27, 2024, 3:20 pm
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       - Your stats like we overturn 90% of PCNs = hope
       - Your involvement / leading / expertise / musketeering attitude
       is obviously a huge factor
       I’ve always wanted to fight a rejected appeal but have been too
       scared / no head space to learn what to do so maybe team the
       hope with clear step by step guide and offer to sense check a
       case at first like suggested.
       I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my interactions with P so far - and
       enjoying making the council work for their money if the case
       should go their way.
       I hope to find my own vigilantly style purpose in future too
       😂
       
       #Post#: 42629--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: roythebus Date: October 27, 2024, 4:33 pm
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       All you need to do is read through some of the postings in the
       council tickets forum; if you want to challenge private tickets,
       read through the private tickets section. there's a lot to. tak
       in. Don't be afraid to post on here, there's always someone
       clueless like me who will give the wrong answer! And a lot more
       who will put me right..
       #Post#: 42631--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: DWMB2 Date: October 27, 2024, 4:42 pm
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       [quote author=roythebus link=topic=2208.msg42629#msg42629
       date=1730064827]
       All you need to do is read through some of the postings in the
       council tickets forum; if you want to challenge private tickets,
       read through the private tickets section. there's a lot to. tak
       in. Don't be afraid to post on here
       [/quote]
       That last bit especially. Reading as much as you can is a very
       good idea (especially the 'Read This First' posts...), as that
       ideally means you have at least a rudimentary idea of some of
       the concepts involved before posting, which will make your post
       more informative, and as such elicit better advice in response.
       But, don't be afraid to post for advice before taking action. A
       little knowledge can be a dangerous thing... I've seen a good
       few cases where people have fired off an appeal having read a
       bunch of what they thought were similar cases, without posting
       here, then by the time they do post here it turns out they have
       inadvertently harmed their own case.
       #Post#: 42635--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: ivanleo Date: October 27, 2024, 5:38 pm
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       [quote author=DWMB2 link=topic=2208.msg42631#msg42631
       date=1730065365]
       But, don't be afraid to post for advice before taking action. A
       little knowledge can be a dangerous thing... I've seen a good
       few cases where people have fired off an appeal having read a
       bunch of what they thought were similar cases, without posting
       here, then by the time they do post here it turns out they have
       inadvertently harmed their own case.
       [/quote]
       We've seen that a lot in the council forum too.
       #Post#: 42753--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: Hippocrates Date: October 28, 2024, 4:18 pm
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       The problem is that the general person in the street (yes, pun
       intended) believes that a case won at the Tribunal is case law.
       I have had very detailed discussions with such (a friend) last
       week.
       #Post#: 43208--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: Hippocrates Date: October 30, 2024, 3:44 pm
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       I surmise that my first outing with the shirt may have played a
       part in one of these decisions:
       2240406384  :o (Not even allowed to sit at the bench)
       2240418124 not even mentioned.  :'(
       2240417904 these were completely re-arranged and were supposed
       to be consolidated for a hearing in November.  :o
       Never a dull moment in this game. :)
       #Post#: 45156--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
       By: Hippocrates Date: November 12, 2024, 2:37 am
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       I heard with great sadness yesterday that someone has just paid
       his PCN for the infamous bus lane at Eden Street Kingston.
  HTML https://youtu.be/dmo43oExMxs
       Sadly, The Mugged Club has another member.  :(
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