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#Post#: 38059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: September 24, 2024, 8:53 am
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Update!
I have had correspondence from the tribunal.
What happens next it says I have 2 options,
‘I would like the Adjudicator to decide my case now’
Or
‘I would like a Telephone Hearing / Video Hearing’
I recall earlier in this thread someone recommended the second
option. I just want to be reassured now the time has come.
What’s the best path to take and what should I prepare?
I will upload what the authority have has uploaded as evidence
but I’m guessing this is just going to be the camera footage
with a statement.
Thanks a lot!
#Post#: 38068--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: September 24, 2024, 9:13 am
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From what I can see there is 20 uploaded items,
Camera certification
Witness statement
Video clip
Photos
Case status report
Pcn
Formal rep
Correspondence
Tro
Not and so on
#Post#: 38071--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 24, 2024, 9:32 am
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> ‘I would like a Telephone Hearing / Video Hearing’
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That's the one to choose.
Re the Evidence Pack: as a start, there should be a list of
contents and a summary of why they think the Adj. should dismiss
the appeal. Post those here and the experts will advise further.
Whose witness statement is included?
Do the copies of the PCN and NtO included match the originals
you hold in every particular?
#Post#: 38074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: September 24, 2024, 9:37 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
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> [quote]‘I would like a Telephone Hearing / Video Hearing’
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That's the one to choose.
Re the Evidence Pack: as a start, there should be a list of
contents and a summary of why they think the Adj. should dismiss
the appeal. Post those here and the experts will advise further.
Whose witness statement is included?
Do the copies of the PCN and NtO included match the originals
you hold in every particular?
[/quote]
Thank you for your prompt response, I will check the points you
highlighted and report back.
#Post#: 40015--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: October 9, 2024, 10:36 am
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Reporting back with success :D
Unfortunately I was late to accept a hearing it automatically
went to an adjudicator.
I added some additional comments and pictures of the sign being
incorrectly installed. Not being parallel with Oxford Street. It
infact sits at a 45Deg angle which is misleading making on
coming motorists believe the restriction is on Hulme street
which is what it did in my case and made me hesitant to proceed
hence turning down the bus restriction road.
Adjudicator's reasons,
It is the Authority’s case that the Appellant’s vehicle was in a
bus lane on Oxford Road on 13 May 2024. They rely in evidence on
CCTV footage, which opens with the vehicle on Oxford Road,
having emerged from Charles Street. It looks as though it was
intending to proceed across the junction into Hulme Street, but
it then makes a late left turn and proceeds into the bus lane.
The Authority also rely on a collection of photographs of the
location, showing the relevant signage, which is dated 10 May
2024. I note that there is an advance warning sign on Charles
Street prior to the junction and then there are two prohibition
signs on Oxford Road. The one on the Charles Street side faces
directly ahead and so on approaching the junction along Charles
Street it would be side on and not clearly visible. The sign on
the opposite side of Oxford Road is angled such that it would be
visible from Charles Street, but it is on the corner at the
entrance to Hulme Street.
It is the Appellant’s case that the positioning of the latter
sign is misleading because it indicates that the restriction
applies to Hulme Street. Having regard to the CCTV footage, I am
satisfied that the Appellant was misled by the positioning of
this sign. I take the view that the positioning of this sign was
potentially misleading, it being so close to the entrance to
Hulme Street such that it could have been interpreted as
applying to Hulme Street. Accordingly, and noting that the
Appellant did not see the advance warning sign it having been
obscured by a delivery lorry, I am not satisfied that the
prohibition signage was clear and unambiguous, and, in those
circumstances, the contravention cannot, in my view, be
established and I allow the appeal.
The Appellant has raised various procedural points, but there is
no need for me to address these
Big thanks for everyone who input into this thread!
If anyone else gets this same fine use the incorrectly installed
sign as your defence at tribunal!
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 9, 2024, 10:39 am
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Well done :)
#Post#: 40020--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 9, 2024, 10:53 am
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Can you give us the TPT Case Number please. We can then download
it and keep it.
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: October 9, 2024, 4:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> Can you give us the TPT Case Number please. We can then
download it and keep it.
>
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Certainly it’s Case Ref MC00642-2409
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: July 2, 2026, 6:38 pm
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Wow what a surprise received today from MCC.
To save you going back through the entire thread. I received a
PCN from MCC dated 29/06/2024 for a contravention on the
30/05/2024!!!
With the help of everyone who assisted it was a win case at
tribunal on the 09/10/2024
Case number: MC00642-2409
Also I have not been the user of the car (as it was a lease
through employer) since November 2025 when it was handed back at
the end of my employment.
The charge certificate PCN date is 27/06/24 for but original
charge certificate PCN was dated 03/06/2024 and both sharing the
same PCN number MC33821439!?!?
Wth are they playing at 2 years later, is this some kind of
prank 😄
So how should I handle this?
Luckily I still have the official pdf form of the tribunal win
decision.
There is not an email address on this PCN
Just a payment and objection enquires numbers.
A return address (which I could print the pdf and send to them)
Or the online qr code.
Kind regards
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 3, 2026, 5:46 am
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Is the PCN received today, the same number as the original ?
I suggest you send the TPT printout, with a covering letter with
the words "to save you embarrassment at a future TPT
adjudication....."
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