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Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: June 11, 2024, 6:47 am
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Hello,
Before I go right into detail I wanted to know if anyone knows
whether it’s worth challenging the bus lane pcn for travelling
through Oxford Road to Brancaster Road at 18:59.
I have read a lot about how much this section has made but
struggle to find any wins on appealing as it seems signage is in
good order.
If you’d like me to upload the PCN to start with I can do this.
It’s 50% fee is £30 I’m tempted to just take this as a slap on
the wrist and walk away… let me know your thoughts.
Thanks
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 11, 2024, 6:57 am
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For meaningful advice you need to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and to post up here
all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address, leave
everything else in);
a GSV link to the location;
and the video ( which is the evidence ).
Then the experts here can form a view on whether it's worth
appealing.
When does the period for discounted payment expire?
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: June 11, 2024, 1:23 pm
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All documents received from the lease company are attached.
I understand that PCN is not in my name.
But do I just nip it in the bud and just pay the £30 half price
while
I can?
Just don’t want to land myself a bigger fine for something that
doesn’t have any flaws that we can pick up on to avoid paying.
Im trying to upload but I am receiving server full error and to
contact admin..?
Anyone else getting this message?
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: June 11, 2024, 1:26 pm
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GSV link
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/P9dAvpezyj4s7S9s7?g_st=ic
The first sign was un noticed or blocked by a vehicle.
When you pull up to the lights which I remember doing at a red
signal, you cannot see the sign on the immediate left on the
side walk. As soon as I entered the cross section I then noticed
the sign on the far left facing me which is at the wrong angle
and I was miss lead and due to traffic Building up behind me I
hesitated and turned left which was in fact the road that has
the restrictions on!
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: June 11, 2024, 6:54 pm
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--- Quote from: D D link ---
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> Im trying to upload but I am receiving server full error and
to contact admin..?
>
> Anyone else getting this message?
>
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You'll need to use a third party site, as advised in the thread
John posted for you to consult in reply #1.
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: June 12, 2024, 6:09 am
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: June 13, 2024, 4:30 am
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Everything uploaded now.
The only thing that I can see is the sign on the other side of
the cross road has been installed not parallel with the curb and
makes you think it’s in relation to the road straight ahead
which is a through road for all vehicle's.
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 16, 2024, 9:59 am
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[member=629]D D[/member] well you didn't read the guidance
properly but I've re-posted the images for you:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/0hCMbXl.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/AnbfxKa.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/t7JiZLT.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jSyXweS.jpeg
Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW63XxwPwKg
The one key mistake you will want to avoid is sending anything
in the post, as I said last time it is 2024 after all.
The most viable argument to get out of this would be to get the
lease company to transfer liability to you, make a simple "did
not occur" representation, appeal to the tribunal and argue that
the transfer of liability is invalid. The appeal will then be
allowed and virtually all authorities will give up at this
point.
However we would need to see the lease agreement, including the
small print, in order to be able to give a definitive view on
your chances of success.
I can see you made a representation on 10 June so it would also
be helpful to see exactly what you said. Or if it was the lease
company that made a representation, just confirm that to us
please.
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: D D
Date: June 17, 2024, 4:15 am
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> [member=629]D D[/member] well you didn't read the guidance
properly but I've re-posted the images for you:
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/0hCMbXl.jpeg
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/AnbfxKa.jpeg
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>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/t7JiZLT.jpeg
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>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jSyXweS.jpeg
>
> Video:
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW63XxwPwKg
>
> The one key mistake you will want to avoid is sending anything
in the post, as I said last time it is 2024 after all.
>
> The most viable argument to get out of this would be to get
the lease company to transfer liability to you, make a simple
"did not occur" representation, appeal to the tribunal and argue
that the transfer of liability is invalid. The appeal will then
be allowed and virtually all authorities will give up at this
point.
>
> However we would need to see the lease agreement, including
the small print, in order to be able to give a definitive view
on your chances of success.
>
> I can see you made a representation on 10 June so it would
also be helpful to see exactly what you said. Or if it was the
lease company that made a representation, just confirm that to
us please.
>
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Thank you for your assistance!
I have had no participation to any representation so far so what
has been done to date has been done by the lease company.
So would it be worthwhile doing the following as you explained,
make a simple "did not occur" representation, appeal to the
tribunal and argue that the transfer of liability is invalid.
The appeal will then be allowed and virtually all authorities
will give up at this point.
And expensive lesson learned on the mail side of things ;)
Regards
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Re: Manchester Council Oxford Road Bus Lane Intervention
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 17, 2024, 6:52 pm
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--- Quote from: D D link ---
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> So would it be worthwhile doing the following as you
explained...
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This strategy has never failed so far. I've had a few cases
where a council has tried to reissue the penalty to the lease
company, but they've all been cancelled in the end for some
reason or another (I always get a letter of authority in place
ahead of time and agreement from the lease company that I can
appeal on their behalf). I have never seen a non-London
authority even try.
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