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Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 7, 2024, 11:36 am
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My daughter parked in a Redbridge country car park at Fairlop
Waters.
She tells me that she reversed in between two parked cars and
thought it was a space. When the other cars had gone she is
clearly outside the marked space because the other cars were too
(although not a useable excuse)
The car park is operated by Ring Go. The signage says that cars
must not be parked on yellow lines, pavements, grassed areas or
passing bays and must not cause an obstruction. There is nothing
about parking in individual bays.
The car park is not designated on Redbridge's TMO plan so I'm
not sure what legislation demands that parking in a bay is
required.
The PCN has been issued by Redbridge.
Is this an arguable case?
(It's always my daughter giving me these headaches!)
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 8, 2024, 1:58 am
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For meaningful advice please have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up both sides of the unredacted PCN and a GSV link to
the location.
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 8, 2024, 2:58 pm
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This is the google street view link
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/hxH3W7qCSd8wQjxV6
This is the pcn
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru21TWOCQ2vsQsSRm?e=c5JFsJ
The only TMO I can find is the Redbridge (Waiting, Loading,
Stopping and Street Parking Places) Consolidation Order 2021.
However, this does not appear to cover off street parking such
as Fairlop Waters, so what legislation forces a driver to park
within a parking space?
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: June 8, 2024, 3:25 pm
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The rest of the PCN please.
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 8, 2024, 4:15 pm
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That's all my daughter sent me. I'll ask her for the reverse.
But what relevance is anything on the reverse to my question?
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 8, 2024, 4:21 pm
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Here's the reverse of the PCN
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru27eMd07INQ3iXD5?e=MM8SUJ
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 9, 2024, 2:13 am
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However, this does not appear to cover off street parking such
as Fairlop Waters, so what legislation forces a driver to park
within a parking space?
There will be a traffic order, you just haven't found it.
Standard practice is for the order to be referenced on the same
noticeboard which states that cars park wholly within bays. GSV
doesn't help here, it's 5 years old.
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 9, 2024, 11:11 am
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Thank you H C Andersen for alerting me to that.
Here is the signage
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru3TkiDnTT7xWTluR?e=cXoXkn
This makes reference to the London Borough of Redbridge (off
street parking places) Order 2013 as amended. I've trawled
through the internet but can't find it. Does anyone have access
to it please or know where I can find it?
It also shows the "regulations" the breach of which gives rise
to a PCN. As I've previously mentioned, these do not include
parking properly in bays. Should they for it to be enforceable?
Here is the photo showing my daughter's car being parked outside
the bay. She reverse parked between two other cars and didn't
even see the marked bay at the time as it was hidden.
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru3UrtRFh5r_mrQ00?e=WuEI5Y
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Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 12, 2024, 4:15 am
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Any further thoughts on my question?
#Post#: 26108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge PCN code 86 out of bay
DIR By: Staygulf
Date: June 15, 2024, 4:38 am
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I propose the following representations, any comments or
suggestions please?
PCN No AF
Reg No
These are my representations against the above PCN
I reverse parked between two other cars and did not realise that
my wheel was over the white line as I thought it was a parking
space. When I returned to my car, the other cars had gone,
revealing that my wheel was over the line.
At present, I do not believe that the PCN should have been
issued.
I paid for a valid parking session within the instructions given
on the tariff/ parking signage.
The regulations shown on the signage state:
“No parking on red or yellow lines, pavements, grassed areas or
passing bays. Vehicles must not cause an obstruction. Failure to
comply with the above will result in a PCN being issued”
There is nothing on the signage which requires cars to be parked
properly in marked bays failing which a PCN will be issued. I
therefore followed the regulations.
The signage also states that the car park is subject to the
London Borough of Redbridge (off street parking places) Order
2013.
I have been unable to locate a copy of this order. It does not
exist anywhere on the internet, it is not on the LBR website, I
have contacted both the LBR offices and the central library at
Ilford, neither of whom have a copy.
There is also a telephone number on the signage which states:
“For all enquiries please contact Vision RCL 020 8500 9911”
This gets you through to the boathouse at Fairlop Waters and
they have no clue about the parking arrangements for the car
park. Totally misleading.
I respectfully request that, as there appears to be nothing
which directs a driver to park within the marked bays, the PCN
is cancelled.
If you decide not to accept my representations, I require you to
send me a copy of the aforementioned Order so that I can decide
whether to appeal.
H T
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