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#Post#: 25107--------------------------------------------------
Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code 12]
[30 May 24]
DIR By: terminator x
Date: June 6, 2024, 9:39 am
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Barmy, parked in a resi street for no more than 25 mins and got
a ticket! No traffic wardens to be seen so I suspect that
perhaps the locals may be allowed to ticket cars? Didn't see the
warning sign, still not sure where it was located.
Anyhoo, paperwork below + some pics that they took. Any failings
on their part to allow me to contest?
TX.
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#Post#: 25119--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 6, 2024, 10:29 am
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25 minutes is a very long time to be parked in contravention in
London, as the streets are flooded with CEO patrols to bring the
money in !
Here is the sign at the southern entrance to this development: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/qFWE2rYrtGWSK2KTA
and here's the northern entrance, which also emphasises with
signs that it is a private estate: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3qTWLmnPQdVYoQS39
So why were you parked there ? If you were visiting a resident,
I would have thought there is a visitor permit system in
operation, either a physical scratch-card, or a virtual book
on-line process.
#Post#: 25124--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: terminator x
Date: June 6, 2024, 12:05 pm
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I work in construction and there is a new project just started.
I normally park "on site" however that day they were slow to
open the gates so I thought no worries just park in the street
next door! How wrong I was!
TX.
#Post#: 25445--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 9, 2024, 7:09 pm
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Here are the CEO notes:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3lciBFk.jpeg
The road layout looks odd:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QfCzPL4EeMRnWH6ZA
Private gardens:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/AjcAZ3RgVkftBFKPA
Private estate residents only:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ge7kraJe3WSodCwT9
Private estate residents only:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/YzvZh9v1KxjEkHMe7
Still, it's an adopted highway according to the list of highways
maintained at public expense
HTML https://www.richmond.gov.uk/media/13340/highways_land_search_register.pdf.
[member=1938]terminator x[/member] if you were working on a
construction site why would you go back to your car within 25
minutes?
#Post#: 25491--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: terminator x
Date: June 10, 2024, 5:34 am
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Thanks for that; do you think that as it's an adopted highway
there is no way to enforce a parking ticket?
Also they have no photo's of the initial observation time eg
1032, they only have it from 1038; don't they need to allow 10
mins or something grace period?
I was only on site for that time as I was just visiting to take
photo's of progress rather than working there all day.
TX.
#Post#: 25538--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 10, 2024, 2:43 pm
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--- Quote from: terminator x link ---
>
> Thanks for that; do you think that as it's an adopted highway
there is no way to enforce a parking ticket?
>
--- End Quote ---
You have that back to front, an adopted highway is one that the
council is responsible and they can enforce. I think the more
relevant issue is that if they have not make a traffic order
imposing any restrictions, then regardless of whether the road
is adopted or not and regardless of how much yellow paint is
splashed along the carriageway, there are no waiting
restrictions to enforce.
--- Quote from: terminator x link ---
>
> Also they have no photo's of the initial observation time eg
1032, they only have it from 1038; don't they need to allow 10
mins or something grace period?
>
--- End Quote ---
There is no grace period, either you're in contravention or
you're not. With a limited exception related to parking bays,
grace periods are just a myth.
--- Quote from: terminator x link ---
>
> I was only on site for that time as I was just visiting to
take photo's of progress rather than working there all day.
>
--- End Quote ---
OK well the best hope is that the traffic order doesn't exist,
and then it's open and shut. As you weren't driving a works
vehicle and it wasn't necessary for you to use a vehicle to go
and take some photos, I don't think we can claim any of the
exemptions for building works.
#Post#: 25656--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: terminator x
Date: June 12, 2024, 3:46 am
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Is my best reply then to just assume a TO does not exist so
nothing to enforce? Thanks for help so far.
TX.
#Post#: 25744--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 12, 2024, 4:41 pm
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No, I think your best bet is the strategy of last resort
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/city-of-edinburgh-02-parked-in-a-restricted-street-lochrin-buildings-gilmour-pla/msg7413/#msg7413,<br
/>if you have any meaningful mitigation worth mentioning. Do you
have any?
You don't want to go in all guns blazing saying there is no
traffic order, because if there is you'll look very silly
indeed. By the time you get a rejection, we should know for sure
if there is a traffic order and if there is one, we'll know what
it says.
#Post#: 26605--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 18, 2024, 2:33 pm
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[member=1938]terminator x[/member] here is The London Borough of
Richmond upon Thames (Broom Park, Teddington) (Parking Places)
Order 2018
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JvDiC2mBvOwuGxlXO9e8ctj-RVgOVJsa/view.
Do you have any paperwork or photos confirming why you were
there?
#Post#: 29057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Broom Park Teddington, PCN for parked in a resi zone [code
12] [30 May 24]
DIR By: terminator x
Date: July 8, 2024, 4:29 am
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Apologies but I had to reply to them before you posted your last
post above. I fell on my sword as someone suggested and just
asked for lenience ish, my response below:
"I have not been to this area before and did not realize that
parking was restricted; the signage is inadequate. There is one
very small sign as you enter the road (I did not see this) and
then no other signage at all. See image below:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QfCzPL4EeMRnWH6ZA
I work in construction and usually park on the site itself (so
not the street or any other local street) for 20-25 minutes
however this particular morning the gate was shut with no
obvious other place to temporarily park other than the street in
question. Again I saw no signage on entering the street and
there was no signage at all once inside the street. If I had
seen some signage then I would have moved on.
On this basis I appeal to your discretionary power not to
enforce.
If the above appeal is not accepted then I reserve my right to
raise other objections later."
They took their time but have of course refused to accept. Their
letter is as link below:
HTML https://ibb.co/cQJqjHg
HTML https://ibb.co/jfRLjsm
HTML https://ibb.co/9hK95g0
Is it worth fighting at all as if I wait for the NTO it will be
£110 fine vs £55 if paid early. Thanks all.
TX.
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