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Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service route
DIR By: mr_mo
Date: June 6, 2024, 6:54 am
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Good afternoon
hope everyone is well i got a parking fine while waiting for to
pick someone up i was a busy on my phone that i did not see the
civil enforcement officer in time now i have had a look and from
what i can see on google street view i can not see any parking
restriction notices and the yellow lines are completely broken.
Any help would be appreciated.
thank you Mo
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
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DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 6, 2024, 8:13 am
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Please give us a GSV link to the location, telling us exactly
where you parked.
The photos show double- yellow lines which need no signs, so I
think you'd struggle on these as grounds for cancellation, but
lets see GSV first. Don't be in a rush to pay, because often
appeal arguments based on grounds other than the contravention
are found. Remember, the council have to obey the law (the legal
enforcement process), just like you.
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
route
DIR By: mr_mo
Date: June 6, 2024, 9:33 am
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thanks for the rapid response i have now added the gsv link.
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
route
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 6, 2024, 10:22 am
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What a dump that street is !! If you could download the council
photos, (if any), it might show the yellow lines even more faded
and absent, although your own seem to show them clearly enough.
GSV is 2019, so 6 years ago.
However, as I said, don't rush to pay yet; wait and see what the
others say. If you submit some reps within the discount period
they will re-offer the discount, and you get more time to save
the money if it ends up having to be that way.
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
route
DIR By: sparx
Date: June 6, 2024, 10:23 am
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What yellow lines are actually under your car? Do you have a
picture of them at all, or a picture that shows them?
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
route
DIR By: mr_mo
Date: June 6, 2024, 5:18 pm
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Haha the street is a proper dump don’t think it was ever
maintained I will try and go down there tomorrow and take some
pictures.
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
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DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 6, 2024, 5:24 pm
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--- Quote from: mr_mo link ---
>
> Haha the street is a proper dump don’t think it was ever
maintained I will try and go down there tomorrow and take some
pictures.
>
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Make sure you don't get another PCN !!
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 9, 2024, 7:47 pm
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The road is indeed a dump, it looked much better back in 2009.
Anyway, it is an adopted highway according to the council map
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Oddly enough there is no mention of this service road in the
schedules
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/>to The Newham (Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011
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/>which is odd because the yellow lines were there in 2009, so
you'd expect them to be in the consolidation order made in 2011.
Great Eastern Road on the other hand comes up in both Schedule 2
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I'll have to ask the council if there is a separate order for
this particular service road, but I have a sneaking suspicion
there is no traffic order, we've had quite a few such cases
recently.
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
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DIR By: mr_mo
Date: June 10, 2024, 3:41 am
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Thank you for all the help I really appreciate it. If the roads
not on the service schedule would that be grounds for appeal?
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Re: Newham 01 parked in a restricted street Stratford service
route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 12, 2024, 4:39 pm
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> Thank you for all the help I really appreciate it. If the
roads not on the service schedule would that be grounds for
appeal?
>
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If the road isn't mentioned in any traffic order at all, then
there are no waiting restrictions and everybody is allowed to
park there for as long as they want. The yellow paint has no
legal effect if there is no underlying traffic order.
However to know for sure whether an order exists, you'll have to
wait for the council to reply to my information request.
In the meantime here's a holding representation you can make:
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Dear London Borough of Newham,
When I parked at this location the yellow line markings appeared
so broken and faded that I understood this to be a former
restriction that was no longer in force. While I accept yellow
lines do not need to be in pristine condition, these particular
lines are so broken and faded that they appear to relate to a
restriction that has long since ceased to have effect.
I therefore contend that the alleged contravention did not
occur.
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The council will reject this, but at least it will buy us some
time. Send the representation online and make sure to keep a
screenshot of the confirmation page.
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