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#Post#: 1542--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 19, 2023, 10:29 am
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> Are faded bus lane markings useful in an appeal?
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Yes they are but I've also asked a couple of other experts to
have a look for you.
#Post#: 1547--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: July 19, 2023, 10:58 am
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Wimbledon's road markings can't be legally enforceable imo.
I too have a 34J given for straying outside the broadway. In
dark or wet conditions, they are impossible to see.
I've noticed shortly after the broadway, they started repainting
the road markings shortly after I received my PCN. I managed to
get photos of the road markings a day or so after I received the
PCN just in case they try to pull a funny one.
They referenced Google images for me too, from 2021 - even in
2021 I'd question the legality of them. Nowadays, professionally
removed road markings appear more visible than those around
Wimbledon.
#Post#: 1602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: July 20, 2023, 7:04 am
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I cannot see any external lighting for the signs and they are
both, particularly the regulatory sign at the start of the solid
white line is well hidden by foliage, the line itself is clearly
not visible in the dark and wet. Given the video you have a good
chance at tribunal
#Post#: 1607--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 20, 2023, 8:23 am
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> I cannot see any external lighting for the signs
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- PastMyBest
Speed limit is 20mph - lighting still required??
#Post#: 1613--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: July 20, 2023, 10:46 am
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no but absent the visibility is still not good enough
#Post#: 1661--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 20, 2023, 6:01 pm
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Rowlando I'd suggest you post a draft based on the faded
markings and we'll tidy it up for you.
#Post#: 1675--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: rowlando
Date: July 21, 2023, 3:10 am
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Here's my draft appeal:
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[left]Dear Sirs / Madams,
[/left]
Ref: PCN MT87044495 VRM LC62 DVR
I appeal against the issue of this PCN. My challenge is based on
these points:
- The bus lane markings are faded.
- Very dark road (street lighting does not look very effective)
- Heavy rain
The combination of these facts means it was impossible for me to
see the bus lane markings. My passenger has provided a statement
to back this up:
"I am also a driver and was sitting in the passenger seat at the
time of the infraction. It was dark and raining heavily and
there was poor street lighting. I didn't see the lines of the
bus lane and was not aware we had entered it. I can see from the
video and photographs provided with the PCN that the lines are
barely visible especially given the weather conditions at the
time."
Your own video evidence and photos demonstrate the poor
visibility of the road markings.
Google Street View -
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/RpTYD41NgPFUuNx47
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shows the faded lines as of August 2022. I have attached
photographs of the location to show the road markings are even
more faded a year later. These photos were taken on July 19,
2023.
For comparison, I have attached an image of a bus lane that has
clear markings. This was taken in a nearby area. If the road
markings on Wimbledon Hill Road were maintained I would have
been in a position to see the bus lane at night, in rain and in
poor light.
Please cancel the PCN accordingly.
Yours faithfully
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#Post#: 1685--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 21, 2023, 4:28 am
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If your passenger is going to provide a witness statement this
would have to be a separate document that identifies the
witness, giving their name and address.
To be honest given the CCTV footage I don't think it's
necessary, but if you're keen on that I can give you a draft.
What you've put in your draft is just anonymous hearsay, which
even in the informal context of a PCN representation is worth
basically zero.
#Post#: 1689--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: July 21, 2023, 5:02 am
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I agree with CP just give your account for now, Make sure you
say you could not see the signs or lines given the poor
visibility
#Post#: 1693--------------------------------------------------
Re: Merton, code 34J being in a bus lane, Wimbledon Hill Road
SW19, Date of notice 10/07/23
DIR By: rowlando
Date: July 21, 2023, 5:25 am
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Thanks both. I'll go with this:
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Dear Sirs / Madams,
Ref: PCN MT87044495 VRM LC62 DVR
I appeal against the issue of this PCN. My challenge is based on
these points:
The bus lane markings are faded.
Very dark road (street lighting does not look very effective)
Heavy rain
The combination of these facts means it was impossible for me to
see the bus lane markings and the signs.
Your own video evidence and photos demonstrate the poor
visibility of the road markings.
Google Street View -
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/RpTYD41NgPFUuNx47
-
shows the faded lines as of August 2022. I have attached
photographs of the location to show the road markings are even
more faded a year later. These photos were taken on July 19,
2023.
For comparison, I have attached an image of a bus lane that has
clear markings. This was taken in a nearby area. If the road
markings on Wimbledon Hill Road were maintained I would have
been in a position to see the bus lane at night, in rain and in
poor light.
Please cancel the PCN accordingly.
Yours faithfully
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