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Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: Lefeuvre76
Date: June 1, 2024, 4:58 pm
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Their images.
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#Post#: 24787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: Lefeuvre76
Date: June 3, 2024, 4:13 am
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Would be really grateful if someone could help. I think I have
put up everything possible.
#Post#: 24792--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 3, 2024, 5:33 am
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Although the bays are numbered there is nothing on the sign to
demand parking in individual bays. In addition, there are no
parking restrictions on Sundays.
So write a challenge on those lines. This is only an informal
challenge, not a formal representation, and almost all councils
just reply with a Fob-Off letter, but it gives us time to
investigate further.
#Post#: 25205--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 7, 2024, 7:51 am
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What bay markings?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/FlYGLzM.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/7oRxz3a.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/T1Nafed.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/BfCPU9I.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/vSaUtSl.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/V8RkIGU.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/L56QRzW.jpeg
Draft reps:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Bromley,
I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur. Under regulation 18(1) of The Local
Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales)
Regulations 1996 if the authority makes an order requiring
vehicles to be parked in any particular way, the authority is
under a duty to provide adequate guidance to motorists by means
of adequate signs. The photos taken by the CEO show that while
there might have been bay markings in the past, these have now
vanished and all that is left is some numbering next to the
kerb, which I am guessing might be old bay numbers but in
isolation do not amount to a recognised traffic sign under the
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016.
There are also no upright signs informing motorists of the
requirement to park in any particular way.
In light of the above the alleged contravention did not occur
and the PCN must be cancelled. I remind you that where the
contravention did not occur you must cancel the PCN, you have no
discretion about this.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this via
HTML https://parking.bromley.gov.uk/live-3sc-user/
(you
might have to skip a chatbot they've introduced to try and
dissuade you but there's always a button for "skipt chatbot" or
"I don't need any help" which will take you to the
representations page) and keep a screenshot of the confirmation
page.
Also please confirm whether you're the registered keeper and
have the V5C.
#Post#: 25208--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: Lefeuvre76
Date: June 7, 2024, 8:33 am
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This is incredible thank you. I have sent it all off,
photographed everything and I await their response. I am the
registered keeper and have the V5. I can't tell you how much I
appreciate this.
#Post#: 34864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: Lefeuvre76
Date: August 28, 2024, 1:20 pm
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Hello,
I've finally received a letter back from Bromley Council nearly
three months after I contested it.
I am surprised to find out that they have decided not to cancel
the PCN. I have attached the letter in full.
Surely you have to have clearly marked lines to enforce this and
clearly this wasn't the case here. Please could you advise what
to do next? I know it is only £30 but I would like to fight it
if you think that is sensible. I would be grateful to hear
anyone's thoughts on this.
If the lines were very clearly marked then fine but they aren't.
The images clearly show the lines are almost non-existent.
Once again I am very grateful for your input. My hit rate on
this forum (in its previous incarnation) is 3 PCNs and 3
victories. Hoping to continue that.
Letter -
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2qcF9ku
There are two pages to the letter but the only thing of note on
the second page is, "No signage is required for this type of
restriction." before going on to explain how I can pay the PCN.
#Post#: 34865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 28, 2024, 1:31 pm
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OP, what have lines got to do with matters?
According to the traffic sign in evidence, the restriction
applies Mon-Sat.
The PCN alleges a contravention on a Sunday.
Outside the hours and days on the traffic sign IMO it is as if
the road is an unmarked and unrestricted length of street. It is
NOT a parking place without charging requirements, it is not a
parking place.
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Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: Lefeuvre76
Date: August 31, 2024, 7:34 am
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The inference from the council seems to be that the signs were
irrelevant. You cannot park outside the lines at any time,
despite ignoring the fact that the signs are almost rubbed out.
#Post#: 35140--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 31, 2024, 7:43 am
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I wish them well with this at adjudication.
As regards 'There are two pages to the letter but the only thing
of note on the second page is, "No signage is required for this
type of restriction." before going on to explain how I can pay
the PCN.' let us be the judges of what's important and what is
not and pl post this page and all pages of future
notices/correspondence!
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Re: Parking in Bromley borough on a Sunday. Can I fight this?!
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 31, 2024, 7:58 am
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--- Quote from: Lefeuvre76 link ---
>
> Letter -
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2qcF9ku
>
> There are two pages to the letter but the only thing of note
on the second page is, "No signage is required for this type of
restriction." before going on to explain how I can pay the PCN.
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=1903]Lefeuvre76[/member] please post all the pages of
the rejection.
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