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#Post#: 24573--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 31, 2024, 10:33 am
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I found these, but you need to look up the individual cases to
see which concern this particular bit of 'bus lane.
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ETA Register of Appeals
Register kept under Regulation 20 of the Road Traffic
(Parking Adjudicators) (London) Regulations 1993, as amended and
Regulation 17 of the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic
Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England)
Regulations 2022.
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31 Case(s) found
Case Reference Date Registered Surname Forename Company
Enforcing Authority PCN PCN Location
Latest Outcome Date Outcome
2130601772 03/12/2013 Terry David Ivor - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ41419299 Shepherds Bush Road 09/01/2014
Appeal allowed
2130595476 29/11/2013 Asghari Amine - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ40901472 Shepherds Bush Road 30/01/2014
Appeal allowed
2140099743 27/02/2014 Avgousti Andrianna - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ41204226 Shepherds Bush Road 07/04/2014
Appeal allowed
2140006797 06/01/2014 - - Fresh Direct (UK) Ltd London Borough
of Hammersmith and Fulham HZ4123646A Shepherds Bush Road
30/04/2014 Appeal allowed
2140026692 22/01/2014 - - Fresh Direct UK Ltd London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ41146607 Shepherds Bush Road 13/06/2014
Appeal allowed
2140291864 24/06/2014 Goldsmith Anthony - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ42203080 Shepherds Bush Road 25/07/2014
Appeal allowed
2140406150 08/09/2014 Arora Jasvinder Singh - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ43574554 Shepherds Bush Road 07/10/2014
Appeal allowed
2140451847 08/10/2014 Pattison Nicholas - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ42617491 Shepherds Bush Road 10/11/2014
Appeal allowed
2140464022 16/10/2014 - - K E Kent London Borough of Hammersmith
and Fulham HZ44006557 Shepherds Bush Road 17/11/2014 Appeal
allowed
2150134465 16/04/2015 - - Ocado Ltd London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ4423895A Shepherds Bush Road 20/05/2015
Appeal allowed
2150180473 20/05/2015 Balaj Muhabi - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ4494695A Shepherds Bush Road 24/06/2015
Appeal allowed
2150230028 29/06/2015 - - Carey England Ltd London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ44559545 Shepherds Bush Road 05/08/2015
Appeal allowed
215026933A 31/07/2015 MILLS CLARE KAREN - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ4603494A Shepherds Bush Road 28/08/2015
Appeal allowed
2150222970 29/06/2015 - - Fresh Direct London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ45083666 Shepherds Bush Road 10/10/2015
Appeal allowed
2150350675 24/09/2015 Harti Ahmed - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ4531140A Shepherds Bush Road 22/10/2015
Appeal allowed
row(s) 1 - 15 of 31
Case Reference Date Registered Surname Forename Company
Enforcing Authority PCN PCN Location
Latest Outcome Date Outcome
2150386082 20/10/2015 Carnegie Hanna - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ46204890 Shepherds Bush Road 28/11/2015
Appeal allowed
215038508A 20/10/2015 Dhar Anil - London Borough of Hammersmith
and Fulham HZ45266123 Shepherds Bush Road 01/12/2015 Appeal
allowed
2150425311 16/11/2015 Wimalaratna Hemalal - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ46155139 Shepherds Bush Road 18/01/2016
Appeal allowed
2180390395 04/10/2018 Ballard Roger - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ23839204 Shepherds Bush Road 16/11/2018
Appeal allowed
2180405164 15/10/2018 Verney Stuart - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ24186773 Shepherds Bush Road 17/11/2018
Appeal allowed
2180439734 10/12/2018 Leaton Daniel - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ21825264 Shepherds Bush Road 09/01/2019
Appeal allowed
219001153A 09/01/2019 Santoro Francesco - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ24296738 Shepherds Bush Road 13/02/2019
Appeal allowed
2190013615 10/01/2019 Mozil Sami - London Borough of Hammersmith
and Fulham HZ24641610 Shepherds Bush Road 21/02/2019 Appeal
allowed
2190195443 15/05/2019 Mirao Lino Elisio Marques - London Borough
of Hammersmith and Fulham HZ25011833 Shepherds Bush Road
14/06/2019 Appeal allowed
2190264171 01/07/2019 Barton Lewis - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ24914564 Shepherds Bush Road 02/08/2019
Appeal allowed
2190253062 25/06/2019 Rahman Ehsanur - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ25356551 Shepherds Bush Road 03/08/2019
Appeal allowed
2190276909 09/07/2019 Avis Linda - London Borough of Hammersmith
and Fulham HZ24958774 Shepherds Bush Road 07/08/2019 Appeal
allowed
2190347439 21/08/2019 Morsy Mostafa - London Borough of
Hammersmith and Fulham HZ25283389 Shepherds Bush Road 25/09/2019
Appeal allowed
2200031184 22/01/2020 - - 3663 Transport Limited London Borough
of Hammersmith and Fulham HZ17481263 Shepherds Bush Road
16/04/2020 Appeal allowed
2210307463 04/06/2021 Ishaq Raja - London Borough of Hammersmith
and Fulham HZ19766195 Shepherds Bush Road 15/07/2021 Appeal
allowed
2220358686 17/05/2022 Bryant-Von-Haidenthaler Elisabeth - London
Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham HZ65895267 Shepherds Bush Road
18/06/2022 Appeal allowed
#Post#: 24577--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 31, 2024, 11:34 am
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Please. Listen to my advice and confirm your e mail address to
me via a PM. Old cases are based on the arguments presented. My
information is comprehensive.
#Post#: 24578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 31, 2024, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: Peter222 link ---
>
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=2055.msg24453#msg24453
date=1717067341]
> [quote author=estevenin link=topic=2055.msg24432#msg24432
date=1717025675]
> Have the councils sorted the Secretary of State's certificates
for their cameras yet or still not ? If not yet, the evidence is
inadmissible at tribunals stage, all Greater London's bus lane
PCN for the past years have been issued without any admissible
evidence :
HTML https://lbbspending.blogspot.com/2022/12/how-to-get-bus-lane-pcn-in-london.html
HTML https://lbbspending.blogspot.com/2022/12/how-to-get-bus-lane-pcn-in-london.html
>
> Senior members will confirm if this is still a valid argument
in May 2024 or not.
>
--- End Quote ---
The vast majority of them have but they still need to attend and
be cross-examined. And one council, at least, uses one camera
which does not have a VCA certificate. This bus lane though has
other issues re the signage.
[/quote]
How would I find this out? An email asking for a copy of the VCA
certificate for camera number HBF302?
[/quote]
Please. If you want my assistance, accept my advice and all this
can be incorporated into a challenge.
#Post#: 24580--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Peter222
Date: May 31, 2024, 11:50 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Please. Listen to my advice and confirm your e mail address to
me via a PM. Old cases are based on the arguments presented. My
information is comprehensive.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks... I emailed you yesterday, at 22.14. maybe it went to
spam? Nevertheless I'll try again
#Post#: 24602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 31, 2024, 3:07 pm
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Please use this draft and put in your own words and then repost
your version with the correct PCN details etc:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-being-in-a-bus-lane-shepherds-bush-rd-southbound-offside-/msg21134/#msg21134
No need to apologise being new! We all started in this crazy
game from scratch!
#Post#: 24882--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 3, 2024, 6:12 pm
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--- Quote from: estevenin link ---
>
> Senior members will confirm if this is still a valid argument
in May 2024 or not.
>
--- End Quote ---
While councils have made some attempts to get their house in
order, we still regularly use these same grounds to this day. We
haven't lost a single London council bus lane PCN case since we
won your case against Ealing in October 2022; how time flies!
[member=1860]Peter222[/member] please follow the guidance from
Hippocrates, he's a bus lane veteran.
#Post#: 31960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 2, 2024, 8:17 am
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2240270679: in complete agreement for future reference.
#Post#: 34053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 21, 2024, 9:32 am
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To: Hammersmith and Fulham Council
Re PCN:
I make these formal representations against the Enforcement
Notice on the following grounds
1. I am in possession of the special DFT authorisation for this
offside bus lane and it is clear that you have departed from the
agreed plan of the layout of the signage, in particular the 958
sign.
2. Notwithstanding that there is the said authorisation, I
refer you to this extract from a High Court decision:
R(Oxfordshire County Council) v The Bus Lane Adjudicator
[2010]EWHC 894 (Admin) Mr Justice Beatson confirmed at para. 65:
Para 65. The Defendant's submission that the fact that signs
are prescribed or authorised does not mean they are sufficient
for securing adequate information as to the effect of an order
is made available to road users is clearly correct. If the signs
do not in fact provide adequate information no offence is
committed;
I argue, therefore, that your departure from the DFT authorised
plan by placing the 958 sign AFTER the taper line substantially
exacerbates your problem concerning enforcement. In any event,
most of the signage in place directly contravenes the Traffic
Signs Manual Chapter Three in terms of their very meaning.
Furthermore, there is a plethora of signage and, indeed, placed
in positions which again contradict the said TSM. I rely upon
case no: 2240270679 in this regard. I also say that you have
added extra signage which is non-compliant with TSRGD 2016.
3. I put you to strict proof that the camera at the said
location has the correct VCA approval.
4. The Enforcement Notice limits to one ground of
representations.
5. Service and delivery are two entirely different concepts and
“delivery” is not mentioned in the Act. The Enforcement Notice
substantially departs from the statutory scheme in terms of 4
and 5.
In light of the above, I request that you cancel the PCN and EN
forthwith.
Signed
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Yesterday's outcome:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-being-in-a-bus-lane-shepherds-bush-rd-southbound-offside-/msg34058/#msg34058
#Post#: 36910--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 15, 2024, 7:02 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> 2240270679: in complete agreement for future reference.
>
--- End Quote ---
Reviewed and refused unfortunately. However, appeal for this
case just registered.
#Post#: 42553--------------------------------------------------
Re: Motorcycle in bus lane, confusing sign
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 26, 2024, 3:44 pm
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Please be advised that it would be up to the adjudicator to
decide whether they would want the council to attend the
hearing.
:-X
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