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Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: anwarhaar
Date: May 28, 2024, 11:53 am
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Hi All,
i recently was picking up my niece (1 years old) and nephew (2
years old) - from the Sainsburys my daughter was in the
Sainsburys purchasing child related products (have receipt) i
was standing next to my car smoking a vape , and to my disbelief
the car park attendant is standing next to my car taking
pictures - i tell him hey my niece and nephew are in the shop -
he attempts to begin an argument, i then take a photo of him
standing next to my car i go into the shop and come out with
nephew and beggars belief this numpty stuck a PCN on my car.
Observation time : 17:10 - issue time 17:10 so clearly he didnt
even give me a minute and issued it straight away, looking
online for supporting documents they have zero photos yet a £85
outstanding charge.
Do i just appeal ? how the hell do i prove i had my niece and
nephew in the store (apart from the children product sainsburys
receipt)- how can i report this car park attendant he cannot go
around ticketing people the same second you observe them.
In 50 years of my existence I've never heard someone get a
ticket for this?, Note that i have photos of the parking
attendant standing next to my car at 17:08 2 minutes before the
ticket was issued so i have proof i was there in the area.
#Post#: 24279--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: May 28, 2024, 11:56 am
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To help us help you, please read the following thread and
provide as much of the information it asks for that you are able
to provide: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum
guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
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Re: Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: anwarhaar
Date: May 29, 2024, 10:07 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> To help us help you, please read the following thread and
provide as much of the information it asks for that you are able
to provide: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum
guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
>
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LOCATION: Uxbridge,London - Euro car parks PCN (attached to car)
Commentary: Upon entering the car park, i found a parent and
child space, parked up, and while walking inside the parking
attendant immediately physically ran to my car and starting
taking photos, i turned around and explained i had 2 kids inside
with my daughter. He refused to listen and tried to argue. I
left and returned within 5 mins. He left the ticket immediately
17:10 observation time and 17:10 ticket time. So far i have not
appealed.
I have photos of me and the ticket guy him standing next to my
car 2 mins before he left the ticket so clearly i was around. i
also have proof of what was purchased in store.
Next steps?
#Post#: 24372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: May 29, 2024, 10:19 am
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You need to provide the information that guide asks for, i.e. a
copy of the notice, and photos of the signs. The guide also
recommends not revealing who was driving.
#Post#: 24373--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: b789
Date: May 29, 2024, 10:25 am
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If it was a windscreen Notice to Driver (NtD) then do not appeal
yet. Wait until 25 or 26 days after the NtD was issued and then
appeal only as the keeper. Do not identify who was driving.
The reason for this is to tie them up in the appeals process at
a time when they should also be posting a Notice to Keeper
(NtK). Many PPCs in the BPA omit any NtK when replying to an
appeal and the very fact a PPC forgets to send you a NtK by day
56, gives you a winning point at POPLA. Don't forget this
tactic, and use it at POPLA stage: having appealed on day 25 or
26 after a windscreen PCN, make sure you take note of whether
any postal NtK is ever received in the following weeks. A
rejection letter with POPLA code is not a 'NtK'.
You must include 'no keeper liability' at POPLA stage if you do
NOT receive a NTK at all in that time, and you will win as long
as you make the missing NtK clear to POPLA.
#Post#: 24378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: Dave65
Date: May 29, 2024, 10:48 am
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Was the car park part of Sainsbury`s (ie owned by them)?
If so you could take the receipt into Sainsbury`s and tell them
a purchase was made and a child was present in the car.
Best to ask for the Manager.
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Re: Euro car parks (Parent and toddler bay ticket) unheard of!
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 29, 2024, 3:35 pm
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So, you parked in a Parent and Toddler bay and left your car,
but without a toddler.
You say you had arranged to pick up your nephew and niece from
your daughter who was in the shop and you argued the toss on
this point with the operative, despite there being no objective
evidence that this was what you were doing.
You reappeared with your nephew only, no sign of your daughter,
by which time the PCN has been served and the operative had
gone.
So, did you have child seats already in your car for the
children or were you planning to take those in your daughter's
car?
Did you look for the operative with your nephew in tow in order
to explain?
May I suggest you think about what the operative saw rather than
what was in your mind/you intended to do.
If there weren't child seats in your car then why should the
operative take your word as fact? Why shouldn't they just have
acted on what they'd seen?
I put matters this way to try and get you to see matters
objectively and compose any challenge on the substantive matters
in a balanced manner.
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