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Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: mitaab
Date: June 1, 2024, 6:54 pm
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Incandescent, great analysis. Quite impressive.
Shall I get you recent photos of all the CPZ signs, that you
made reference to, in your post?
I have added another word to my vocabulary, "tootling". :)
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Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 1, 2024, 7:21 pm
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> Incandescent, great analysis. Quite impressive.
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> Shall I get you recent photos of all the CPZ signs, that you
made reference to, in your post?
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> I have added another word to my vocabulary, "tootling". :)
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The main thing is that GSV 2022, shows no entry signs for CPZ
'MA' as ypu drive along that road, but is this the case in 2024
? So yes, take some photos to use if you want to take the matter
further. Of course if in 2024, the signs missing in 2022 are now
there, your case collapses.
#Post#: 24697--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: mitaab
Date: June 1, 2024, 7:35 pm
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> [quote author=mitaab link=topic=2035.msg24694#msg24694
date=1717286053]
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> Incandescent, great analysis. Quite impressive.
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> Shall I get you recent photos of all the CPZ signs, that you
made reference to, in your post?
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> I have added another word to my vocabulary, "tootling". :)
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The main thing is that GSV 2022, shows no entry signs for CPZ
'MA' as ypu drive along that road, but is this the case in 2024
? So yes, take some photos to use if you want to take the matter
further. Of course if in 2024, the signs missing in 2022 are now
there, your case collapses.
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Which specific zone entries do you want photos for?
#Post#: 24702--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 2, 2024, 3:17 am
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You need current signage at this cross roads.
There are no signs on the GSV view for entry to CPZ 'MA'
#Post#: 24725--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 2, 2024, 8:04 am
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Incandescent has done the hard work, but this could all be
academic unless your hire company transfers liability to you.
IMO, your primary task is to get them onside* otherwise you'll
get a bill for £130/£190 or more**.
*- discussing on the phone is less than concrete. You should
write. (
by all means phone and confirm in writing, but I recommend you
don't just phone).
**- the NTO would not offer the discount, so if they paid it the
charge would be 130. Similarly, you have not said whether the
£60 is applied whether they pay or seek to transfer liability,
and as it's a charge for a service it's probably subject to VAT,
so your total could be ££202.
As regards the contravention, you should look at this, the
council's CPZ map.
HTML https://democracy.brent.gov.uk/documents/s45982/10%20-%20parking_management_review_appendix_b.pdf
IMO, your approach should be that you were travelling northwards
along Walm Road and apparently entered zone MA north of its
junction with Melrose when you entered Chichele Road prior to
turning right into Anson. A copy of the council's CPZ map is
enclosed showing that zone MA commences at this point.
On the day of the contravention (and now..because you'll take
photos) there wasn't a CPZ sign alerting motorists to this
significant change in controls. And the change is significant
because the restricted hours of zone MA are different to those
in zone MW(the zone you left and the last CPZ sign which you
saw) being Mon-Sat 10-9pm and 8am-6.30pm respectively for this
MA zone - the authority will be aware that there are 2 different
restrictions in zone MA, the other being 10am-3pm Mon-Fri.
..as a basis...
But IMO get the hire company onside first.
#Post#: 24967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 4, 2024, 6:01 pm
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> Isn't the VRM the same as the number plate? Providing this
information, wouldn't it reveal the name and address of the
person?
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[member=1857]mitaab[/member] reveal it to whom? The council has
the VRM already and they can get the name and address from DVLA,
the rest of us have no means of accessing the DVLA database, so
it's not clear what point there is in hiding this information.
I would suggest you get photos of all the CPZ signs identified
by Incandescent, who has done a sterling job of working out
where the applicable signs are.
However you should not volunteer those photos in the
representations, the burden is on the council to prove that the
signs are there in the first place, you don't have to prove
anything until the council discharges its burden of evidence.
As H C Andersen says, you need to speak to the hire company and
get them to agree to transfer liability to you, they should have
no reason to object as it means the PCN is no longer their
problem.
#Post#: 26209--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 15, 2024, 6:54 pm
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[member=1857]mitaab[/member] as discussed, you must not make any
more duplicate accounts or you will be banned permanently.
If you want to have any hope of beating this PCN, you need to
act on the advice given above.
#Post#: 40702--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: mitaab
Date: October 14, 2024, 10:24 am
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Hi all,
I received the Notice to Owner from the LA, dated 19/09/2024.
As previously requested, I tootled through the route in
question, and I can confirm that there is no entry sign for the
CPZ MA!
So the GPS for 2022 is still valid, no change. I also took
photos as well.
I have till Friday to submit my representations. It was
suggested that I withhold photo evidence and use it later for
the appeal stage should the PCN is not cancelled, which is the
norm with the LA.
Another point I would like to use in my representations is that
the date of issue of the PCN was 16/02/2024 and the date of
issue of the NtO was 19/09/2024 which is more that seven months.
Is this acceptable, even when taking into account the NtO that
was sent first to the rent company? I would like to use this
issue in my representations, but I don't the legal reference
that I can rely on.
Finally, I have received an email from the rent company agreeing
to me challenging the PCN, and that if I win the case they will
waiver their £60 admin fee.
A draft of the challenge would very much be appreciated.
#Post#: 40847--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: mitaab
Date: October 15, 2024, 9:03 am
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> Another point I would like to use in my representations is
that the date of issue of the PCN was 16/02/2024 and the date of
issue of the NtO was 19/09/2024 which is more that seven months.
Is this acceptable, even when taking into account the NtO that
was sent first to the rent company? I would like to use this
issue in my representations, but I don't know the legal
reference that I can rely on.
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> A draft of the challenge would very much be appreciated.
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#Post#: 50404--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours - Code
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DIR By: mitaab
Date: December 18, 2024, 1:17 pm
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Hi all
I have received the Notice of Rejection to my representations,
as expected. Below copies of my Reps and their NoR. They have
not provided any evidence to refute my claim regarding the no
entry sign for the CPZ MA. When are they supposed to provide
evidence to support their decision?
Your feedback and advice is much appreciated.
Representation:
HTML https://ibb.co/hZC7hfh
NoR:
HTML https://ibb.co/MZKD1pJ
HTML https://ibb.co/FDtrtC5
HTML https://ibb.co/KrLXKqM
HTML https://ibb.co/drzwdGx
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