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#Post#: 23909--------------------------------------------------
Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12 -
Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John121
Date: May 26, 2024, 6:41 am
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Hi,
I hope you can help with this issue.
My father received a PCN from Newham Council for a 51j
contravention - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
(camera enforcement).
Although he did pass through the no entry sign and the wrong way
on a one-way street, this was because the police had cordoned
off Rixsen Road (just before the Berkeley Road junction) due to
an incident where someone was apparently attempting to commit
suicide by jumping off a building. As a result, there was no
other way out, and the police advised him to go back the way he
came from Stanley Road. He was not the only one; several other
vehicles were also directed to do the same.
Please see below for the PCN received:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/z7kw4wC/1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/1dSxmxB
HTML https://i.ibb.co/HqWSyWT/2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/njHGyHM
HTML https://i.ibb.co/XjnKkG9/3.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/GnZ83rX
HTML https://i.ibb.co/RCdFr3L/4.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/xMdk91V
Please see the screenshot below from Google Maps, which
illustrates that there was no other way out. I have marked the
location where the police had cordoned off the road.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/tD4v0kH/Screenshot.png
HTML https://ibb.co/m4G2n1R
Although the images may not be entirely clear, I have some
photos taken at the scene that show the police had cordoned off
the road. Please see below:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/y4n1Htn/C1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/6XRxjzR
HTML https://i.ibb.co/w4rFvpH/C2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/qpF3ZmG
HTML https://i.ibb.co/XzMDT5t/C3.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/y87pJkq
I would appreciate your advice on how to proceed with this
matter.
Thanks
#Post#: 23932--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John121
Date: May 26, 2024, 1:29 pm
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Hi. I'm not sure if I did something wrong, but I haven't
received a response yet.
#Post#: 23933--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 26, 2024, 1:49 pm
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--- Quote from: John121 link ---
>
> Hi. I'm not sure if I did something wrong, but I haven't
received a response yet.
>
--- End Quote ---
Volunteers with busy lives + bank holiday weekend.....
Can you get a statement from the relevant police station?
#Post#: 23941--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John121
Date: May 26, 2024, 4:11 pm
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My dad is not from around that area plus don't think police will
be willing to give a statement. I may be able to get a witness
statement.
Hows the best way to proceed with this?
#Post#: 23956--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 27, 2024, 2:04 am
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.
--- Quote ---
> As a result, there was no other way out, and the police
advised him to go back the way he came from Stanley Road.
--- End Quote ---
Acting on the directions of a police constable in uniform is a
statutory exemption for most road traffic offences.
In the bowels of the met (and possibly in local media traffic
reports) there will bew a record of the suicide attempt and the
emergency road closure. Try starting with the police station
local to the incident, or exploring the Met's website.
HTML https://www.met.police.uk/
especially
HTML https://www.met.police.uk/rqo/request/ri/request-information/
and
HTML https://www.met.police.uk/rqo/request/
and
HTML https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/af/accessing-information/
As acting under police direction is a statutory defence, I would
suggest that the Met have a duty to release the information to
your father or yourself acting on his behalf.
#Post#: 23963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 4:13 am
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[member=1844]John121[/member] I take it you were with him at the
time? In these circumstances you should always take the collar
number of the police officers at the scene, but if you didn't
then you'll just have to try and get information out of the
police. I wouldn't bet on them giving you a response within a
useful timeframe, but you should try nonetheless.
In the meantime this is a reasonably straightforward
representation:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Newham,
I accept I drove through the no entry signs, but this is because
I was directed to do so by a police constable in uniform. At the
material time the police had cordoned off Rixsen Road (just
before the Berkeley Road junction) due to an incident where
someone was apparently attempting to commit suicide by jumping
off a building. As a result there was no other way out, and the
police directed me to go through the no entry restriction as
there was no other way out. I was not the only one; several
other vehicles were also directed to do the same and I'm sure
your records will reflect this. As I am sure you will
appreciate, failure to comply with the direction of a police
constable in uniform is a criminal offence.
I attach several photos taken at the time showing that the
police had cordoned off Rixsen Road.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
[member=4]Southpaw82[/member] [member=10]andy_foster[/member] I
know there's some case law about police officers being empowered
to direct motorists to contravene section 36 signs such as
traffic lights etc, do you guys happen to have a reference?
#Post#: 24083--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John121
Date: May 27, 2024, 12:57 pm
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Thanks for your help once again CP.
I've done a freedom of information request with police but have
been advised it can take upto 20 working days for a response.
Meanwhile will send off the template you've provided and keep a
screenshot of confirmation page.
Many Thanks
#Post#: 32918--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John121
Date: August 10, 2024, 5:14 pm
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Hi All,
Hoping you can help. Having followed the instructions on this
forum, I submitted my appeal accordingly to Newham council on
28th May 2024.
However Newham council have now sent a letter demanding I pay
£195.
Due to this being in May when the Original PCN was issued I can
see all the photos I have attached in the original post have
been deleted. Unfortunately I am not able to edit the original
post so I will resubmit the original post just so everyone knows
whats going on and then underneath I will submit the recent
communication I received from Newham council.
#Post#: 32920--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 10, 2024, 5:22 pm
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If you can look on Newham's website to see the PCN log, it
should show when your reps arrived, and when the Charge
Certificate was issued. Reps need to be received within the 28
days allowed. Whilst they can accept late submissions, they
don't have to.
#Post#: 32921--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham PCN, 51J No Entry Restriction, Stanley/Rixsen Rd E12
- Road Closed By Police
DIR By: John121
Date: August 10, 2024, 5:37 pm
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Hi,
I hope you can help with this issue.
My father received a PCN from Newham Council for a 51j
contravention - failing to comply with a no entry restriction
(camera enforcement).
Although he did pass through the no entry sign and the wrong way
on a one-way street, this was because the police had cordoned
off Rixsen Road (just before the Berkeley Road junction) due to
an incident where someone was apparently attempting to commit
suicide by jumping off a building. As a result, there was no
other way out, and the police advised him to go back the way he
came from Stanley Road. He was not the only one; several other
vehicles were also directed to do the same.
Please see below for the PCN received:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/fCfHnks/Original-PCN-1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/FB2z05F
HTML https://i.ibb.co/61XWMwb/Original-PCN-2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/5nKR04v
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Vx4yjXn/Original-PCN-3.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/tzrfmyj
HTML https://i.ibb.co/5RLFN6z/Original-PCN-4.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/W2ftb6d
Please see the screenshot below from Google Maps, which
illustrates that there was no other way out. I have marked the
location where the police had cordoned off the road.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/9p0GB8z/Rixsen-Diagram.png
HTML https://imgbb.com/
Although the images may not be entirely clear, I have some
photos taken at the scene that show the police had cordoned off
the road. Please see below:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/1dxNW2d/PCN-1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/7RFDmyR
HTML https://i.ibb.co/pbgNTY3/PCN-2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/JmN8TDz
HTML https://i.ibb.co/bPPnb5V/Further-PCN-3.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/Vtt8wYG
HTML https://i.ibb.co/vc2y6sn/PCN-4.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/VLXncH4
HTML https://i.ibb.co/PQxzH1y/PCN-5.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/Kw6zvVg
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