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Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: blackknight
Date: May 24, 2024, 9:11 am
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Hello all.
I made a credit card payment to cover three visits to central
Birmingham over consecutive days at the beginning of May.
Today I received three PCNs alleging the breach of the CAZ on
these days. Strange when I recall paying for the days.
I checked my email and I found one saying that :
“ Your payment to Drive in a clean air zone has expired.
The charge for your journey is not paid. You may receive a
penalty charge notice (PCN) if payment is not made before
11:59pm on the sixth day after you drove in.
Clean air zone: Birmingham”
What does this mean?
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 24, 2024, 10:04 am
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> I made a credit card payment to cover three visits to central
Birmingham over consecutive days at the beginning of May.
--- End Quote ---
Do Birmingham allow payment in advance? I am wondering if the
payments were treated as payment for the day the payment was
made?
What sort of paper trail have you got for the payments? Is there
an online record or receipt?
Have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and please post up the first page of each PCN and the other
sides of one PCN.
Only redact name and address.
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: blackknight
Date: May 24, 2024, 11:04 am
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 24, 2024, 1:36 pm
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Rules for payment are here :-
HTML https://www.brumbreathes.co.uk/info/32/charges-operation/34/paying-drive-clean-air-zone
Basically, you can only pay 6 days in advance and 6 days in
arrears. However, the Order is silent on what happens if moneys
are paid but not used. I suspect they have just made the no
refund rule up and are not in compliance with the legislation
but you'll only find out if you take them to adjudication. The
legislation is the Transport Act 2000 see here for the relevant
section:-
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/38/part/III/chapter/I
and the regulations for PCN enforcement are here :-
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/1783/regulation/7/made
I have had a quick look and there is nothing in the Act about
the management of payments for road user charges. It does seem
quite unfair the way they deal with payments that are not used
"on the day".
As far as I can see, the email told you that your payment for
road use had expired, being beyond 13 days since payment was
made. It then warned you to make a payment for your car or you'd
get a PCN.
#Post#: 23839--------------------------------------------------
Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: mdann52
Date: May 25, 2024, 3:48 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I have had a quick look and there is nothing in the Act about
the management of payments for road user charges. It does seem
quite unfair the way they deal with payments that are not used
"on the day".
>
--- End Quote ---
I thought you were buying, in effect, a "licence" for a given
day, so I wouldn't expect if you don't use it you would be able
to get it back.
The regs are definitely silent on refunds!
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 25, 2024, 4:52 am
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--- Quote from: mdann52 link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=1999.msg23809#msg23809
date=1716575818]
> I have had a quick look and there is nothing in the Act about
the management of payments for road user charges. It does seem
quite unfair the way they deal with payments that are not used
"on the day".
>
--- End Quote ---
I thought you were buying, in effect, a "licence" for a given
day, so I wouldn't expect if you don't use it you would be able
to get it back.
The regs are definitely silent on refunds!
[/quote]
But when you pay in advance, I don't think any date is required.
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 2:00 pm
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--- Quote from: blackknight link ---
>
> Hello all.
>
> I made a credit card payment to cover three visits to central
Birmingham over consecutive days at the beginning of May.
>
> Today I received three PCNs alleging the breach of the CAZ on
these days. Strange when I recall paying for the days.
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=1837]blackknight[/member] so when did you make these
payments, and what were the dates of your visits?
In any event please upload the PCN, following the guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/.
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: mdann52
Date: May 28, 2024, 3:09 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=mdann52 link=topic=1999.msg23839#msg23839
date=1716626934]
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=1999.msg23809#msg23809
date=1716575818]
> I have had a quick look and there is nothing in the Act about
the management of payments for road user charges. It does seem
quite unfair the way they deal with payments that are not used
"on the day".
>
--- End Quote ---
I thought you were buying, in effect, a "licence" for a given
day, so I wouldn't expect if you don't use it you would be able
to get it back.
The regs are definitely silent on refunds!
[/quote]
But when you pay in advance, I don't think any date is required.
[/quote]
I've just checked, and if you pay on the UK GOV site you are
required to select date(s) even in advance
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 28, 2024, 4:02 am
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OK, so I now suggest you give us the exact details of when you
booked the CAZ fees, and the dates of using them. It could be
their system is flawed.
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Re: Birmingham CC CAZ PCN after paying
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 30, 2024, 6:18 pm
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[member=2]mdann52[/member] please show us the PCN and the
payment receipts.
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