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#Post#: 23658--------------------------------------------------
Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to oncoming
vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: Bg2024
Date: May 23, 2024, 8:28 am
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Hi I need some help please, I received a PCN For apparently not
giving way to an oncoming vehicle on Salters way. I am in the
Black Audi Q2 (before the black van who does give way in the
youtube video)
HTML https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m9IY9h_sUpU
I believe the oncoming DHL van had just come into the turning
rather quickly and had not even reached the correct area - I
don't believe there was enough time to see the van let alone
stop at the 'transverse line' at such short notice, ALSO - you
can see the van didn't slow down or change course but Lambeth
Council have rejected my appeal.
I believe the next step is appealing at a Tribunal, Do I even
have a case? I believed I do - what do you think? Shall I just
pay the fine?
Original PCN:
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Appeal Rejected Page 1:
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Appeal Rejected Page 2:
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Supporting pics:
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#Post#: 23669--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 23, 2024, 9:10 am
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For meaningful advice please post up a copy of your reps and (a
link to) the video, which is the evidence.
#Post#: 23673--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: Bg2024
Date: May 23, 2024, 9:43 am
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Done :) can you view the links now?
#Post#: 23676--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 23, 2024, 9:54 am
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--- Quote from: Bg2024 link ---
>
> Done :) can you view the links now?
>
--- End Quote ---
I can see
one side of the PCN -where are the remaining sides?
both sides of the rejection - where are your reps?
and
two stills from the video - where is the video?
EDIT
Can see the video, so important to see the remaining paperwork
and check for errors in the 'small print'.
#Post#: 23680--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: guest17
Date: May 23, 2024, 10:27 am
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OP---others may differ but I think you are bang to rights.
Some members will say the give way area is between the
signposts.
My view has always been the speed hump encountered by oncoming
traffic is critically important.
Watch the yellow van hit the bump and the position of your
vehicle at that time.
Does the van slow down? If so you have impeded it.
Mike
#Post#: 23686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: Bg2024
Date: May 23, 2024, 11:52 am
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I have attached the rejection letter (both sides) on my original
post - its a drop box link. Is it not visible?
#Post#: 23689--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 23, 2024, 12:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Bg2024 link ---
>
> I have attached the rejection letter (both sides) on my
original post - its a drop box link. Is it not visible?
>
--- End Quote ---
As I said, I can see it, but not your reps to the Council which
they are rejecting. Nor can I see the remaining sides of the
PCN.
#Post#: 23702--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 23, 2024, 1:37 pm
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It is NOT 'Give Way', it is a give priority as per the Traffic
Signs Regs.
In the absence of an associated plate defining the area, the
priority area is defined by reference to the infrastructure
realities i.e. the bridge.
This is supported by reference to the sign (you have priority
over) from the other direction.
IMO, I do not see how the contravention could be proved by
reference to a vehicle not in the priority area. If this is
permitted, then the Signs Regs are kicked into touch and, to
continue the metaphor, who is to decide where the goalposts are
placed?
#Post#: 23704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 23, 2024, 1:52 pm
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[member=1819]Bg2024[/member] I think you have an arguable
appeal.
#Post#: 23717--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth council , PCN code 37j Failing to give way to
oncoming vehicles, Salters way, Norwood
DIR By: Bg2024
Date: May 23, 2024, 5:32 pm
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I think I have an arguable appeal too, I will send you a private
message if you don’t mind? I wonder what would be the best way
to articulate that there isn’t exactly a boundary to judge when
to stop. Also I do not feel like the van had to slow down
because of me.
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