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#Post#: 23295--------------------------------------------------
WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone, Harrington
Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: S.M
Date: May 20, 2024, 6:28 pm
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Hi Folks,
The other half was doing some shopping and she turned into a
restricted road during school hours. She turned right from
Leytonstone High Road onto Harrington Road - Google Maps Link -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cpLMFdWJxmr9x5LY9
When driving on Leytonstone high road - there are no advance
warning regarding vehicles not being able to turn right. Given
that someone has to focus on oncoming traffic + pedestrians and
cyclist, it makes it very hard to see the signs at the start of
the road.
If there is a van parked up in the corner, it makes it even more
difficult to notice the sign (Dashcam video). I`m not sure if
the council expects drivers to just reverse back onto oncoming
traffic in this situation.
I have attached the council video and a dashcam video I`ve taken
a day after receiving the PCN - Is this something that can be
appealed?
Please note Date of notice is 13/05/2024.
Council Video -
HTML https://streamable.com/kelz21
Dashcam Video -
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#Post#: 23296--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 20, 2024, 6:48 pm
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I looked on your GSV link, and there are no advance warning
signs in either direction. The April 2022 view shows the signs
as closed. So is the restriction only at term time ? The July
2021 view shows the signs fully open indicating the restriction.
So I see two arguments against the contravention itself
1. No advance warning means it is a dangerous restriction as the
turn in is off a busy road, and a right-hand turn in especially
so, because what is the motorist supposed to do when seeing the
sign ? Jam his brakes on in the middle of the road and back out
?
2. The sign may not reflect the TRO because if the restriction
in the TRO is term-time only this should be on the sign. There
is a similar situation at Royal Albert Way, where "Flying
Motorbike" signs just light-up at the start of the restriction.
Not conveying the TRO restriction in the signs is against the
council duty in LATOR 1996 Regulation 18
#Post#: 23447--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: S.M
Date: May 21, 2024, 4:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I looked on your GSV link, and there are no advance warning
signs in either direction. The April 2022 view shows the signs
as closed. So is the restriction only at term time ? The July
2021 view shows the signs fully open indicating the restriction.
So I see two arguments against the contravention itself
>
> 1. No advance warning means it is a dangerous restriction as
the turn in is off a busy road, and a right-hand turn in
especially so, because what is the motorist supposed to do when
seeing the sign ? Jam his brakes on in the middle of the road
and back out ?
>
> 2. The sign may not reflect the TRO because if the restriction
in the TRO is term-time only this should be on the sign. There
is a similar situation at Royal Albert Way, where "Flying
Motorbike" signs just light-up at the start of the restriction.
Not conveying the TRO restriction in the signs is against the
council duty in LATOR 1996 Regulation 18
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes the sign is only there at term time.
HTML https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-03/T11%2824%29%20Experimental%20Traffic%20Orders%20%28ETMO%29%20-%20LSE%20CPZ%20conversion%20to%20LS%20CPZ.pdf
Should I send an appeal now and is there any template i can use?
#Post#: 23460--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 21, 2024, 5:09 pm
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We don't support any templates on here, but ask appellants to
post a draft of their reps for review before submission.
Your reps should emphasise the total lack of advance warning of
the restriction. I would leave out the fact the sign does not
reflect the TRO for now.
#Post#: 23587--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: S.M
Date: May 22, 2024, 12:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> We don't support any templates on here, but ask appellants to
post a draft of their reps for review before submission.
> Your reps should emphasise the total lack of advance warning
of the restriction. I would leave out the fact the sign does
not reflect the TRO for now.
>
--- End Quote ---
Dear Walthamforest Parking Team,
I would like to appeal PCN FR62440790 based on insufficient
signage. There are no advance warning to inform motorists that
they are unable to turn right from Leytonstone High Road onto
Harrington Road.
Furthermore, the placement of a single sign at the start of
Harrington road makes it very dangerous for motorist and
pedestrians as a driver could panick and cause an accident was
he to see the sign when entering Harrington road.
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Is the above ok?
#Post#: 23610--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 22, 2024, 3:32 pm
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Looks OK. Basically, you're just setting things in motion for an
appeal at London Tribunals, because they will reject your reps
no matter what they contain, as that's how councils game the
system to make money.
#Post#: 23745--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: S.M
Date: May 24, 2024, 4:44 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Looks OK. Basically, you're just setting things in motion for
an appeal at London Tribunals, because they will reject your
reps no matter what they contain, as that's how councils game
the system to make money.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sent - let`s now wait
#Post#: 24080--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 12:54 pm
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[member=841]S.M[/member] the order you have linked is a parking
TMO, the one for the pedestrian zone is The Waltham Forest
(Prescribed Routes) (Pedestrian and Cycle Zone) Traffic Order
2021
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WI_Q1xZmlXJmJ5HP1lQ-WiWmcAzEO5_P/view<br
/>as amended by The Waltham Forest (Prescribed Routes)
(Pedestrian
and Cycle Zones) (Amendment No. 3) Traffic Order 2022
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XyXl--1uiEkP7OUZYk3wdsEqnTAHCVWk/view.
Let us know when you get the rejection, realistically this will
only get cancelled at the tribunal.
#Post#: 24092--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: S.M
Date: May 27, 2024, 1:24 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [member=841]S.M[/member] the order you have linked is a
parking TMO, the one for the pedestrian zone is The Waltham
Forest (Prescribed Routes) (Pedestrian and Cycle Zone) Traffic
Order 2021
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WI_Q1xZmlXJmJ5HP1lQ-WiWmcAzEO5_P/view<br
/>as amended by The Waltham Forest (Prescribed Routes)
(Pedestrian
and Cycle Zones) (Amendment No. 3) Traffic Order 2022
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XyXl--1uiEkP7OUZYk3wdsEqnTAHCVWk/view.
>
> Let us know when you get the rejection, realistically this
will only get cancelled at the tribunal.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes will update as soon as I hear from them. thanks
#Post#: 28442--------------------------------------------------
Re: WalthamForest E11, Code 53C Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
DIR By: S.M
Date: July 3, 2024, 6:07 am
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I have received a notice of rejection of representation - For
some reason the appeal should be made direct to the adjudicator.
Is that the correct process?
I was thinking first they should reject the appeal and I will
state that "I require you to reconsider my informal
representations as my formal representation"
Notice attached
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