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UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: Theclaw
Date: May 20, 2024, 3:02 pm
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Could really do with some advice
While returning from a stressful hospital visit to my mother i
was caught speeding doing 46 in a 40 mph limit, i should have
known better i knew the camera was there but visit was very
stressful and i switched off, totally my fault, the date of the
speeding was 13/11/2023
By the time i received the letter i accepted my indiscretion and
filled in all the required details on the 20/11/2023 having a
clean license hoping to the speed awareness course.
With my mothers ongoing illness i left it at that and waited on
reply but i did not receive anything until 01/05/2024 when i
received a return to sender letter with the NIP opened inside
and a sticker ticked refused,
02/05/2024 i then received a Single notice procedure in the post
for the speeding and failure to provide information
i need to reply asap i not sent back, i have 21 days and can
plead online but my question is what do i do /fill in on the
form, i have not had this before
I really do not feel as if i have done anything wrong
I have checked everything on form and the address and sent well
within timescale now i face filling a form in of which i have no
idea and do not now what to please either,
Will have to fill in the online form soon or will pass deadline
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: May 20, 2024, 3:12 pm
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Did you put a stamp on the envelope?
#Post#: 23269--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: Theclaw
Date: May 20, 2024, 4:24 pm
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Yes it came back opened looks like by a machine the judging by
the cut on the envelope, it also had the print over the stamp to
show it's been through the Post offices system there was a
sticker on the envelope with a tick next to the refused
selection so to me that means the safety camera dept received it
but refused? Plus it was opened i checked the details and the
address and it was all correct.
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: sparx
Date: May 20, 2024, 6:12 pm
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I'm sure you'll not do anything with it, but keep that envelope
and contents. I'd also take good quality pictures of it front
and back, and it's contents, to keep safe (in case the envelope
itself gets damaged).
Is it possible the SCP have refused it as it was open?
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: May 21, 2024, 12:30 am
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Was it sent normal post or some form of signed
for/tracked/special delivery.
It is possible the opening was done by the royal mail in order
to ascertain to whom it should be returned. Though it does seem
to have taken a long time to come back.
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: May 21, 2024, 3:22 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> [quote author=Theclaw link=topic=1955.msg23269#msg23269
date=1716240277]
> Yes it came back opened
>
--- End Quote ---
Rather a key bit of information to miss from your first post!
[/quote]
Rather a key bit of information that they didn't miss from their
opening post:
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> i did not receive anything until 01/05/2024 when i received a
return to sender letter with the NIP opened inside and a sticker
ticked refused
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: Theclaw
Date: May 21, 2024, 4:24 am
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Hi Apologies i'm just desprate for help, it's just so scary the
threat of 9 points for something i feel i have provide all the
information i can on, the sticker id from the Royal mail saying
refused but dated 12.12.23 with initials on but i did not
receive it until beginning of May, the outer envelope that the
Post Office returned it in has my address and a code on 3-048
23104224? if that means anything. i'm sorry this is making me
really anxious as i have to respond but don't know what to do
Also strangely on SJPN notice it mentions that all
correspondance delivered to the safety camera unit by the royal
mail is handed in a post bag directly to a member of staff and
mail is opened at a work station and envelopes opened using an
electronic opener the contents removed and collated
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: May 21, 2024, 4:26 am
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As posted above,
1/ 9 points will only happen if YOU make it happen
2/ The plea deal is common even where the accused is clearly
guilty of the S172 offence
--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
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> It's a well established path to do a plea 'deal' by offering
to plead guilty to the speeding (which they will struggle to
convict you of right now with no confirmation you were driving)
if they drop the S172. To do this you plead NOT guilty to both
offences, in the mitigation for speeding you can enter a note to
the effect you will offer a plea of guilty to speeding if, and
only if, the S172 is dropped. Some areas will do this at the
Single Justice stage, others will refer it for a full court
hearing.
>
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: May 21, 2024, 5:31 am
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Unless the particular legislation indicates a contrary
intention, the Interpretation Act means that the requirement is
for the response to be delivered to the appropriate address. Not
merely sent, and most definitely not received by the police.
AFAIK there is no specific case law on whether the
Interpretation Act applies to an s. 172 response, but there is
case law that provides that it does apply to the NIP sent by the
police.
The issue would seem to be whether or not the response was
delivered to the address on the notice, or more particularly
whether this can be proven on the balance of probabilities by
the OP.
The OP has very briefly described a sticker placed on the
envelope by the post office. He can only guess at what it means,
and we can potentially make a less well informed guess based on
his description. If only there were some body that would know
what the sticker actually means and why the post office stuck it
on the envelope and why the letter was returned to the OP...
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Re: UK, Wales Returned NIP Nov23 - Heard Nothing - Now It's been
returned as refused and have SJPN Form. Help please?
DIR By: Theclaw
Date: May 21, 2024, 5:56 am
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I have taken photos of the envelope the letter was returned with
and the letter with the sticker on hope this helps
Also reading through the SJNP my Licence number is on there how
is that on there if they didnt receive the letter? And also they
said they sent a reminder which i did definately not receive
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