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Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 20, 2024, 6:46 am
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No PCN's for years and then two in a week!
This time I am at fault but seeing if there is a way around it.
I parked in a residents bay with the intention of getting a
visitors permit from the owner of the house. The owner invited
me in to get the permit as her baby had just awoken but she took
ages to find them and by the time she did I went out to a PCN. I
saw the officer leave so just missed them. In fact I parked at
10.05 so it was really unlucky.
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Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 20, 2024, 6:47 am
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Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 21, 2024, 3:27 am
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Hi. Can anyone help on this one?
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Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 21, 2024, 3:47 am
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--- Quote from: Nick325i link ---
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> Hi. Can anyone help on this one?
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Time is always allowed to get a parking ticket or permit, or
else nobody could park legally ! However, your time to get a
permit was rather extended, but in my view doesn't alter the
above. So you should submit reps based on your narrative here.
Post up their response when you get it, at which point further
advice can be given whether to pay-up or appeal.
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Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 21, 2024, 4:33 am
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OK thank you
#Post#: 23353--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 21, 2024, 5:03 am
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Where is the Visitor's Permit which you then placed in the car?
Don't read into the CEO's actions any intent beyond what they
reasonably did having regard to the facts which were that a car
was parked in a permit bay without displaying the necessary
valid permit. They had no idea where you were or what you were
doing. Informal reps is your chance to add these details.
You already know the key issue which is that while the driver is
allowed time to obtain a permit, this must be no more than
necessary in the circumstances and you must do all that can
reasonably be expected of you to take your car out of
contravention as quickly as you can.
Council facts: at least 8 mins. observation.
Your facts: A bit thin.
You were or were not expected; you parked at the location, which
was where in relation to the premises being visited; you took **
minutes to reach the premises and then a further ** for them to
find the permit (presumably physical)
which you completed when you returned to the car?
And here is the permit duly completed!
#Post#: 24012--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 9:35 am
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[member=1734]Nick325i[/member] I have requested the traffic
management order, but from your narrative you have a viable
appeal in any event.
Can you please give a bit more detail about the search for the
permit? Did the house owner go through cupboards and drawers,
did they go to different rooms, upstairs etc? How long did it
take to fill in the permit once they'd found it?
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Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 29, 2024, 9:03 am
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The house owner had to attend to her crying baby that just woke
up. I thought it best to maybe stay outside and keep an eye out
but she invited me in to get the permit which was in the
kitchen. Then she took a couple of minutes with the baby, came
into the kitchen and was rummaging through drawers before
finally remembering she had left the permits by the front door!
It didnt help that I was on a single crutch that week due to
hurting my Achilles in football so wasn't that mobile.
#Post#: 24675--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 1, 2024, 1:31 pm
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[member=1734]Nick325i[/member] here you go:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Brent,
I dispute liability on the ground that the alleged contravention
did not occur. At the time of parking I was visiting my friend
(insert full name) who resides at (insert full address and
postcode).
When I parked my car I immediately went to my friend's house to
obtain a visitor's permit, though I was on a single crutch that
week due to hurting my Achilles during football so I wasn't as
mobile as I normally would have been.
When I got to the house I was going to wait outside while she
fetched a permit, so that I could speak to the CEO and explain
the circumstances if I saw one approach the car, however she
invited me in to get the permit which was in the kitchen.
She spent a couple of minutes rummaging through drawers before
finally remembering she had left the permits by the front door,
the permit was then promptly filled out and I had to return to
the car on my crutch to display it (my fried could not do this
as she has a newborn baby she had to tend to). Unfortunately as
I got to my car I saw the CEO leaving and the PCN had already
been served.
It is well established law that a motorist is allowed as long as
is reasonably necessary to obtain a permit and return to their
car to display it, and as long as this activity is carried out
immediately and without interruption or undue delay, there is no
contravention.
This must be the case because otherwise any motorist who did not
have a permit already with them would be in immediate
contravention the moment their vehicle became stationary, which
cannot be the legal position in a road where visitors are
expected to obtain a visitor's permit from the house of whoever
they are visiting.
I attach a copy of the duly completed permit and I trust that in
the circumstances you will agree there has been no
contravention.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this via
HTML https://brent.tarantoportal.com/
and keep a
screenshot of the confirmation page.
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Re: Brent - Code 16, Parked in a permit space or zone without a
valid virtual or physical permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 27, 2024, 1:21 pm
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[member=1734]Nick325i[/member] are you still with us?
I have now got hold of:
The Brent (Parking Places) (Zone MA) (No. 1) Order 2019
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_jAqdN_AH9qg3HhhrvnKkQDm3QHHRlWZ/view
The Brent (Parking Places) (Zone MK) (No. 1) Order 2019
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E73ZkoOd7jAUwKsu63P86U47QmjfyUHZ/view
The Brent (Parking Places) (Zone MW) (No. 1) Order 2019
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/16m9Vg_xI06KS5JQ-vmByUazQfKbV0-Yz/view
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