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#Post#: 22870--------------------------------------------------
PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: Admiration
Date: May 17, 2024, 12:04 pm
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[left]Date of incident: 17/05/2024
Date of PCN: 17/05/2024
Hi
First, thank you so much for continuing the good and helpful
work.
I visited a visa office on North Parade - central two weeks ago,
and parked in the paid areas. Today, I went there again to
submit some documents, and parked in the paid areas again.
Before parking, I saw disabled only sign, with yellow line, so I
skipped that area, and parked towards the end of that parking
area (between the European market store and record store), the
google plus location is Q6XV+25 Bradford.
I bought ticket from the machine, displayed it on my windscreen,
and went for my appointment. There was a driving instructor's
car parked in front of me, who left when I arrived, so I parked
my car in that space believing it to be a normal parking area. I
did not think much as it was my appointment time so I quickly
paid for the parking, and left.
Once I came back, I found the PCN on my windscreen. When I
checked, it was for code 25. I was surprised, so I checked the
signs again. After two three attempts, I found the difference
between the signs, which are on both sides of the road that this
side was a loading space. During this time, I first thought the
yellow line was the dedicated area for loading and disabled
parking but on third attempt, I thought I might be reading it
wrong and checked carefully.
I also noticed that I am not the only one. There three other
cars behind mine, and all had the tickets.
Now, I can understand that the ticket was for code 25, but the
markings on both side of the road are identical, the signs are
exactly same at the height of a regular human being, and that
yellow line tricked me thinking that was the dedicated area for
not to park.
Could I please get some advise on:
1. Should I appeal this (I would like to as it was not a
deliberate mistake. I did not realise it to be the loading area.
I paid for the parking and displayed my ticket correctly too)?
2. How can this be cancelled please? Already paid hefty fee of
visas and came out to see this charge :(
All Images of the PCN, area where it happened and signs -
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/kqgjotwqb5bemieec41l7/AHkkWYJ3_oaaWA1rndELoek?rlkey=6fkhc4v20d3am1441pn0fcws6&st=bhfenu70&dl=0
Please advise.
Many thanks[/left]
#Post#: 22910--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 17, 2024, 5:01 pm
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OK, so you were parked here: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3HyWHPYjYsTPzyxH8
and if you zoom and look at the parking restrictions sign for
the bay you'll see it is for Loading Only between 8 am and 6 pm.
Your PCN is timed at 10.14 so well within the Loading Only
period. So it looks as if the PCN has been correctly issued. It
is essential when parking in a marked bay that you look for the
bay restrictions sign, and make sure you understand what the
restrictions are for that bay. For this bay, it is Loading Only
for part of the day, then paid parking for any vehicle, then
free-to-park from midnight to 8 am.
As far as I can see the PCN looks OK
Don't rush to pay straightaway, but wait a bit to see if anybody
has spotted something I haven't.
#Post#: 23931--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 26, 2024, 1:13 pm
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[member=1774]Admiration[/member] well the signage looks like a
completely unlawful mish-mash to me, but we need to carry out
some basic checks. Please read the guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>and re-post the PCN without any redactions.
The traffic order is the City of Bradford Metropolitan District
Council (Waiting, Loading and Parking) (Consolidation) Order
2015
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TWjJXk2RCbE5EqTf3eovs9pPvelR0O6Y/view<br
/>and the map tile is BO56
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13lFDLCTnbiJOwmHaQZ2WddRisz9UUWN9/view,<br
/>but obviously the one we have is now out of date so I've
requested the latest one.
#Post#: 23942--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: Admiration
Date: May 26, 2024, 4:13 pm
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Thank you [member=1]cp8759[/member]
Really appreciate for you to look into this.
Please find the clean picture of PCN here
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/en6jy5celse5pgivq21qy/PCN-Front-Clean.jpg?rlkey=l70en2oqvbjtf6fvlxcno0hp4&st=yrbzspxq&dl=0
Please advise - shall I appeal within 14 days to avoid lapsing
the discounted charge, in case I am having to pay in the future?
PCN received on 17/05/2024 so the 14 days ending on 30/05/2024.
Many Thanks
--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [member=1774]Admiration[/member] well the signage looks like a
completely unlawful mish-mash to me, but we need to carry out
some basic checks. Please read the guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>and re-post the PCN without any redactions.
>
> The traffic order is the City of Bradford Metropolitan
District Council (Waiting, Loading and Parking) (Consolidation)
Order 2015
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TWjJXk2RCbE5EqTf3eovs9pPvelR0O6Y/view<br
/>and the map tile is BO56
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13lFDLCTnbiJOwmHaQZ2WddRisz9UUWN9/view,<br
/>but obviously the one we have is now out of date so I've
requested the latest one.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 23943--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: Admiration
Date: May 26, 2024, 4:14 pm
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Thank you for looking into this for me.
I am now waiting for cp8759 response.
Many Thanks
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> OK, so you were parked here: -
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3HyWHPYjYsTPzyxH8
> and if you zoom and look at the parking restrictions sign for
the bay you'll see it is for Loading Only between 8 am and 6 pm.
Your PCN is timed at 10.14 so well within the Loading Only
period. So it looks as if the PCN has been correctly issued. It
is essential when parking in a marked bay that you look for the
bay restrictions sign, and make sure you understand what the
restrictions are for that bay. For this bay, it is Loading Only
for part of the day, then paid parking for any vehicle, then
free-to-park from midnight to 8 am.
>
> As far as I can see the PCN looks OK
>
> Don't rush to pay straightaway, but wait a bit to see if
anybody has spotted something I haven't.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 23966--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 5:20 am
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Here are the council photos:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/WLumihm.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/hKpafJN.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/AzKsj9Q.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/5oTBWr5.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/OjrJjQX.jpeg
[member=1774]Admiration[/member] firstly don't worry too much
about the discount, even if your representation is rejected. In
our experience if you receive the notice to owner and challenge
it again within 14 days, the discount will be reoffered again,
so as a minimum you want to take this as far as formal
representations against the notice to owner.
It is essential we get the updated map tile to properly weigh up
your chances at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, so for now we
mostly need to buy time. For that limited purpose something like
this will do:
[indent]
Dear City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council,
I had parked in a pay and display bay previously at this
location; on this occasion there was a driving instructor's car
parked in the bay to my left who departed, so I parked my car in
that space believing it to be a normal parking bay. Before
parking I saw disabled only sign, with a broad yellow line, so I
made sure not to park in that area. I did not think much as it
was my appointment time so I bought a ticket from the machine,
displayed it on my windscreen, and went for my appointment. I
attach proof of payment for your records.
At the time of the alleged contravention I was visiting a visa
office on North Parade.
Upon receiving the penalty charge I was confused and I had to
check the sign several times before I realised the difference to
the signs situated on the opposite side of the carriageway.
I will definitely be far more careful in the future but I hope
you will be able to show some leniency for a genuine mistake.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
#Post#: 23978--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: Admiration
Date: May 27, 2024, 6:50 am
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Thank you so much [member=1]cp8759[/member]. I have filled their
form with my details and the message you suggested and attached
the picture of the ticket I bought that day (from the machine
nearby). I will update you here once I get a response.
--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
>
> [member=1774]Admiration[/member] firstly don't worry too much
about the discount, even if your representation is rejected. In
our experience if you receive the notice to owner and challenge
it again within 14 days, the discount will be reoffered again,
so as a minimum you want to take this as far as formal
representations against the notice to owner.
>
> It is essential we get the updated map tile to properly weigh
up your chances at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, so for now we
mostly need to buy time. For that limited purpose something like
this will do:
>
> [indent]
> Dear City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council,
>
> I had parked in a pay and display bay previously at this
location; on this occasion there was a driving instructor's car
parked in the bay to my left who departed, so I parked my car in
that space believing it to be a normal parking bay. Before
parking I saw disabled only sign, with a broad yellow line, so I
made sure not to park in that area. I did not think much as it
was my appointment time so I bought a ticket from the machine,
displayed it on my windscreen, and went for my appointment. I
attach proof of payment for your records.
>
> At the time of the alleged contravention I was visiting a visa
office on North Parade.
>
> Upon receiving the penalty charge I was confused and I had to
check the sign several times before I realised the difference to
the signs situated on the opposite side of the carriageway.
>
> I will definitely be far more careful in the future but I hope
you will be able to show some leniency for a genuine mistake.
>
> Yours faithfully,
> [/indent]
>
> Send this online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation
page.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 25178--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 7, 2024, 4:01 am
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Map tile BO56
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/17kXK9RL4UUa5RK7cKurtbkUeEuTc5w_6/view<br
/>as it was in force on 17 May 2024
#Post#: 25504--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: Admiration
Date: June 10, 2024, 7:28 am
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Thanks dear. I hope my appeal is accepted. There is a 4 week
delay in their responses as per their email so waiting for their
response now.
--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Map tile BO56
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/17kXK9RL4UUa5RK7cKurtbkUeEuTc5w_6/view<br
/>as it was in force on 17 May 2024
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 25573--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Loading Bay - Code 25 - Bradford
DIR By: Admiration
Date: June 11, 2024, 4:31 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member]
Just got their response (please see below):
Department of Place
Parking Services
PO Box 848
BRADFORD
BD1 5UH
Tel (01274) 434300
Web: www.bradford.gov.uk
Date: 11/06/2024
Dear xxx
Penalty Charge Notice Number – BQ26906179 Dated – 17/05/2024
Location of Contravention – North Parade - Central Registration
number – AF08GNN
Thank you for writing to us and explaining that you paid for
parking while you were visiting the visa office.
We have considered what you say but we have decided not to
cancel your Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
You were given a PCN for parking in a loading bay without
loading. The Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) observed your
vehicle and saw no loading or unloading taking place. Loading
must be continuous for up to a maximum of 30 minutes.
The arrow points to the pay and display bay where you can park
with a ticket. The place you parked in was the loading bay.
The enclosed photo helps to show why your PCN was given. You can
also view photographic evidence of your case online at
www.bradford.gov.uk. Click 'Pay or challenge your Penalty Charge
Notice' and follow the instructions.
You have these choices:
• You can pay the discount charge of £35.00 if your payment
reaches us within 14 days of the date of this letter.
• You can pay £70.00 within 28 days of the date your PCN was
issued.
• You can formally challenge your PCN by using a Notice to Owner
form. The vehicle's owner will automatically receive the form if
the PCN has not been paid within 28 days of being issued. The
form offers you the chance to formally challenge your PCN or pay
the full £70.00. If you decide to formally challenge your PCN,
please do not write to us again but wait until the Notice to
Owner form arrives.
HOW TO PAY
• By telephone Credit I debit card payments only. Automated
payment line 0345 145 0071 (24 Hours a day, 7 days a week). Have
card and vehicle details and PCN number ready. Please allow one
working day before paying.
• Online at www.bradford.gov.uk. Follow links for online
payments
• By post to: Payments, PO Box 1249, Bradford, BD1 9YW. Cheques
to be made payable to “Bradford Council”.
• In person:
Find out where your nearest Paypoint is:
www.paypoint.co.uk/paypointlocator
Take this letter to any PayPoint.
Pay by cash only.
Yours sincerely
Parking Services
The actual letter can be viewed here:
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/h4wm4ysbrb05ov8wf356o/Emailing-19D67BF97F130.pdf?rlkey=u5uiud194m1mer129rc2t9ims&st=6bctsebh&dl=0
[member=1]cp8759[/member] - what should I do now please?
Many Thanks
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