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NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION EDITH
ROAD L4
DIR By: Smyler171
Date: May 17, 2024, 9:20 am
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Hello,
I have received a notice to owner for a parking contravention
parking charge notice as listed in subject title.
The date on the notice to owner is the 17th APRIL 2024, I HAVE
CHALLENGED FORMALLY BY THE LIVERPOOL CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE
TRANSPORT SECTION TODAY.
I was not the driver of the vehicle at this time, however I am
the registered keeper.
I have contacted the council by both email and telephone and
given them the details of the person that was in charge of the
vehicle at the time that the penalty charge was issued.
I am being told that regardless of the information that I have
presented to them, that is the registered keeper and responsible
for the debt for the parking charge on the notice to owner.
Right?
Can this be challenged in anyway?
I have read on all websites regarding schedule 4 protection of
freedoms act 2012, and transfer of liability, maybe applicable
to this?
Thank you in advance.
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#Post#: 22856--------------------------------------------------
Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 17, 2024, 10:50 am
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> I am being told that regardless of the information that I have
presented to them, that is the registered keeper and responsible
for the debt for the parking charge on the notice to owner.
Right?
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Your information is correct: the registered keeper is liable.
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>
> I have contacted the council by both email and telephone
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Have you had a response to the e-mail? What was the response on
the telephone?
You have 28 days beginning with the date of service to pay or
make reps against the NtO. By my calculation (please post up the
remaining sides of the PCN) the 28th day was yesterday (16th).
Please check the online status of the PCN, report here the
status history, and, if the site lets you, make reps against
the PCN today.
If (IF) they treated your e-mail as reps they should issue a
Notice of Rejection and may re-offer the discount.
Others here with more knowledge than myself will advise further,
but you must take some action today. The next stage of the
enforcement process sees the penalty increase by 50%.
EDIT:
--- Quote ---
> The date on the notice to owner is the 17th APRIL 2024, I HAVE
CHALLENGED FORMALLY BY THE LIVERPOOL CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE
TRANSPORT SECTION TODAY.
--- End Quote ---
I'm very sorry I missed this earlier - my apologies.
Did you get an acknowledgement of your formal challenge?
Please post here a copy of what you submitted and also a GSV
link to the location.
You may also wish to enquire of the driver what happened to the
original PCN.
#Post#: 22885--------------------------------------------------
Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: Smyler171
Date: May 17, 2024, 1:23 pm
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Hello,
Yes it allowed me to make representation today.
Here is what was sent on the screen shot below.
All I have had back so far, is a confirmation of receipt email.
What is a GSV link to location sorry?
Many thanks
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Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: Smyler171
Date: May 17, 2024, 1:27 pm
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Here is the reply also.
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Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 17, 2024, 5:12 pm
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> What is a GSV link to location sorry?
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Google Street View.
A GSV link looks like this: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/AYney8EUz5uadywp6
Once you have the correct view on the screen, press the 3
vertical dots that are top-right in the black box top left. This
then gives you three options. Select "share or embed image".
Click on that and then "copy link". The link is then put into
your clipboard from which you can past it into your post.
#Post#: 22941--------------------------------------------------
Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 18, 2024, 3:12 am
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Please look at the Council website to see the status/history of
your PCN and report back.
Please also repost all sides of the NtO with only the name and
address redacted - see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 23938--------------------------------------------------
Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 26, 2024, 2:02 pm
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[member=1773]Smyler171[/member] well the council photos do not
prove any contravention:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/T0bPK8N.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/YeYD5WJ.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/cDX1eUN.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jasHnY5.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/s0JUfct.jpeg
The location is here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/CHUoi9xyNYgp2BSx8<br
/>but even going back as far as 2008
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QDeLqVNokABrwdVe7
the second yellow line
clearly appears to have been deliberately blanked-out.
This road appears to be in a Football Match Residents Parking
Zone, it doesn't appear Liverpool publishes a map thereof but
the burden of proof would be on the council to show that all
entrances were properly signposted.
In the meantime I'll get hold of the traffic order.
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Re: NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION
EDITH ROAD L4
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:29 pm
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[member=1773]Smyler171[/member] well I assume you gave up and
paid as we never heard back from you, but it's interesting that
it's taken the council this long to provide the relevant traffic
regulations orders, which apparently are The City Council of
Liverpool Football Match Parking Places and Controlled Parking
Zone Order, 2009
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1atIjeQXV33gqcn45ZKkf8zwcenUVhNqZ/view<br
/>and amending orders
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10e_OFPQiW7XPTLfIiF0I5g7hnaP7uJ-U.
Chances are that if you had appealed to the Traffic Penalty
Tribunal, they wouldn't have been able to come up with the TRO
in time for the hearing, and you would have won by default.
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